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To cancel our trip to see dad cos of how my brother’s behaving?

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ShellToast86 · 19/07/2025 20:06

Just need to get this out. It’s long, messy, and I don’t even know what I’m asking really

My younger brother (17 end of Aug) moved in with me back in May after my mum basically couldn’t cope anymore. I’m 13 years older than him and pretty much helped raise him. Changed nappies, fed him, school runs, everything. It’s always been me stepping in when mum couldn’t. She’s always had MH stuff – depression, anxiety, agoraphobia – but never got help. She’s not well and hasn’t been for years but just refuses support.

Our dad cheated when my brother was a toddler – around 2 – and they split. Dad actually stayed involved for a long time after, regular contact, weekends, school things. But then moved back to Germany when my brother was around 10/11. That’s when things started to unravel. My brother doesn’t remember the details, just blames dad for “breaking the family”. Won’t speak to him now, blocked him on everything, ignores all his messages. Says he never had a dad. It’s like he’s rewritten history.

He lived with mum until May but things had got really bad. She let him get away with everything – missed school constantly, weed from about 14, hanging out with older lads, no bedtime, no rules. She called it “keeping the peace”. He was her baby and she wouldn’t hear a bad word against him. He knew it too. The last couple years it turned properly toxic – swearing at her, smashing her phone, shouting in her face, threatening her, throwing stuff. She rang me in tears multiple times but still refused to involve social services. Said he wasn’t going into care and it was either me or dad. Dad’s in Germany and my brother won’t even speak his name, so that left me.

He said he didn’t want to live with her anymore. Said she was “too much”, called her pathetic, said he wasn’t her carer. She was scared of him by the end.

So he came to live with me, my partner, and our two boys – one’s 7, the other’s 14 months and has Down syndrome.

At first it seemed like a fresh start. He said he’d redo his GCSEs, go to college in Sept, started going to the gym with my partner, who was trying hard to be a stable influence. He was even getting on with the boys a bit. I thought we were turning a corner.

But then it unravelled fast. He’s back on the weed – every day – stinks of it, red eyes, out late. Vapes indoors even though I’ve told him not to. His room is disgusting – dirty clothes, dirty plates, bottles of piss under the bed. Won’t wash, won’t clean, won’t even open a window. Barely eats unless it’s sugar and junk.

He lies constantly. Even about pointless stuff. Steals – took my partner’s airpods, denied it even when they were sticking out his hoodie pocket. Refuses to follow any rules. Won’t contribute, won’t speak respectfully, just sits around sneering. Then if you call him out, you’re “bullying” him.

He gets angry out of nowhere, or just cold and weird. Can sit in silence for hours with a blank face, then suddenly explode over something tiny. He said something truly vile about my youngest the other week – “why bother with him, he’s never gonna be normal anyway” – and didn’t even flinch. Just said it and moved on. No apology. Like it was just a fact. I didn’t even know what to say.

He does things that make me wonder about ASD. I used to work in an SEN school as a TA so I’ve seen traits before. He stims – finger picks until he bleeds, rocks sometimes, gets really fixated on random things like certain foods, routines, very black-and-white thinking. Can’t cope if things don’t go exactly his way. He struggles socially too – either totally withdrawn or too intense. Doesn’t seem to get boundaries or tone.

I brought up the idea of maybe exploring if he might be autistic – gently, just as a possible support route – and he absolutely lost it. Said I was calling him a freak, smashed a glass, stormed out and didn’t come back for hours. Said I was just like everyone else, trying to label him. He won’t talk about it now.

So now we’re meant to be going to see our dad on Monday. He’s over from Germany and hasn’t seen us in years. I was looking forward to it – dad wants to meet the baby and see my eldest again. My partner can’t come cos of work so it’d just be me, both boys, and my brother. The journey’s brutal – train to London, Eurostar, then train the other side. About 9 hours door to door.

My brother was reluctant to agree to the trip from the start. Said he didn’t care, didn’t want to see dad, had nothing to say. So I mentioned maybe just me and the boys going instead and now he’s done a complete 180. Full blown meltdown. Shouting, storming around the house, saying I’m abandoning him, that I’m just like mum. Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

I’m exhausted. I don’t feel safe travelling that far with him and two young kids and no partner there to help. But if I leave him here, I don’t know what he’ll do – he goes missing when he’s in these moods.

AIBU to cancel the whole thing? Or just go without him?

OP posts:
Toodles89 · 20/07/2025 04:49

Making the trip to Germany to see DF might have made DB angry again - I think it'd be reasonable for him to think if DF cared he'd do the running around.

You've had all the advice above.
You have tried.
Call SS and get proper intervention to help him get better and keep your DC safe.

And yes, cancel trip. Tell DF why - both dB and too difficult a trip.

AgentJohnson · 20/07/2025 04:10

He sounds very traumatised given your Mums MH issues and your Dad abandoning him. However, you simply aren’t equipped to handle his many issues and now it’s time for your waste of space dad to step the hell up! Your Dad sounds just as selfish as ever if he isn’t making the journey to you.

Take him and leave him with your Dad or don’t go.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 20/07/2025 04:04

Oh gosh. You’ve carried so much responsibility for so long in your life. I really feel for you. You’ve been amazing supporting your brother in this way for so long.

I’d personally be tempted to take him. The change of environment may help him see things and process in a new way. I’d probably speak to him about your dilemma. Ask him what he’d do in your shoes and remind him you want the best for him and that he’s still young enough to turn his life around for the better.

All the best with it all. You sound like such a great person.

Velmy · 20/07/2025 03:50

I'd be more inclined to deal with the brother issue as a priority here. It's obviously having a negative effect on you, it'll be having a negative effect on your partner - whether he acknowledges it or not but more importantly, it's going to impact your children at some point, and that isn't acceptable.

You can change your Eurostar dates and as PP have said, your dad can come and visit you.

Whatever your brother's issues are, and it sounds like he has multiple (behavior, drugs, mental health), he's still switched on enough to emotionally blackmail you. You need to understand that while he will try and frame you involving social services as 'abandoning' him, you're actually doing what's best for your family and ultimately him too.

He's had free reign with everyone tip-toeing around him for too long. He needs to learn that his actions have consequences, and with behavior as appalling as his, those consequences will be severe.

If there is a good person inside him, one day he'll come to terms with the fact that you did the right thing for him, and you'll be able to work on your relationship. If not, you'll be able to rest easy knowing that you did the right thing for your family.

99bottlesofkombucha · 20/07/2025 03:16

I’d call your dad and say he had to come visit you, you can’t make the journey.

Murdoch1949 · 20/07/2025 02:55

You have got to put your children first. Your brother is out of control and needs expert help. You need to get social services involved before they involve themselves because of some issue your brother causes. I understand that you will feel guilty but he is not your responsibility, but your children are. You're hoping September will bring a turnaround, but that's 6 weeks away, will your family survive until then? If your brother manages to get help, even wants help, and turns himself around then maybe he could return to you, but not in the state he's in and currently you're not the best person to help him.

Dearnurse · 20/07/2025 00:45

You are wonderful.. but you can't have someone on drugs with all these other behaviour issues in your house , it's unsafe ring social services speak to both your parents, explain to ss your not willing to have him in your home due to these issues & he will either have to go to your mums with support or care ....you can't subject your children to these behaviours anymore x

PeapodMcgee · 20/07/2025 00:27

What the fuck is your Mum playing at, palming him off onto you. He is NOT your responsibility, he never should have been, and he is well old enough to know how to behave. He goes into foster care. Christ alive.

Givenupshopping · 20/07/2025 00:12

Ddakji · 19/07/2025 21:19

You criticised your mum for not involving social services and taking th easy route of allowing him to do everything to keep the peace - and now you’re doing exactly the same thing. Only it’s worse because you have children in the house with him. And not fair on your partner.

So do what she didn’t. Call social services.

This!

Also, cancel the trip to Germany, if your DF wants to see you, then let him do the travelling.

Barney16 · 19/07/2025 23:57

I wouldn't go on the trip. i would instead phone ss. He is exhibiting unsafe behaviours around your children and you can't let that go on. He obviously has lots and lots of issues and he needs professional help. You are supporting him yes but he needs more. Try and think of it as helping him, he won't see it like that but he may well do in the future. He's a child and he needs help.

Genevieva · 19/07/2025 23:49

Your brother is a drug addict. All the behaviour you describe is consistent with teenage use of cannabis. Left untreated he will likely develop severe paranoia and psychosis. You can’t manage this on your own. You need to involve external help. And yes - your father should make the trip to the U.K..

FrodoBiggins · 19/07/2025 23:41

I'm not sure I understand the plan because you said you're setting your Dad as he's "over from Germany" but also that you're going there.
If you were planning to go there, I would reschedule. You can't travel that far with someone so volatile. Eurostar will allow you to change the dates with a minimal if any charge, you can just pick random dates now and then change them again in the future if you need to, I've done this lots.
Sorry for what you're going through, you sound like a very caring sister but I think for your boys' sake you need to escalate this behaviour to SS or other professional support.

Pizzagirly · 19/07/2025 23:37

You need to involve SS and protect your children from this chaos.
It really is that simple.

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 19/07/2025 23:33

Why are you subjecting your children to this abuse from your brother?
Get him out of your house & out of their lives asap & permanently.
Your responsibility is to your children over & above everyone & everything else.

Endofyear · 19/07/2025 23:10

I wouldn't make the trip and I'd be questioning why your dad isn't making the journey to see you and his grandchildren? Sounds like a nightmare journey with two small children - don't do it OP.

I think you really need to contact social services about your brother before you reach a crisis situation where someone gets really hurt. Your brother needs help and support that you cannot provide - you have your children to think of and the situation at home will definitely be affecting them. Keep telling your brother that you love him and will be there to support him but that you can't carry on like this. Social Services should be supporting you so get in touch with them ASAP.

Fleetbug · 19/07/2025 21:45

Dear OP you have an angry verbally abusive teen on drugs in your house. You aren’t safe and neither are your children. Don’t go to your dad- that can wait for another time. You need to remove this young man from your house asap. You are trying to fix him with love and kindness when what he needs is professional intervention- and fast. Call social services and tell them you are unwilling to house your brother due to safeguarding concerns. Why on earth do you think you can solve his v challenging and complex mental health problems- exacerbated by weed? If he had cancer would you be trying to cure him yourself?? It’s no different with mental health. Get help asap!!

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 19/07/2025 21:43

Just get db a one way ticket imo. Df can take it from here.

LobsterPants · 19/07/2025 21:20

LurkyMcLurkinson · 19/07/2025 21:07

Personally I would sit him down and lay all your cards on the table. Tell him you’re desperate for your living arrangement to work, because you Iove him, you want to offer him stability and you don’t want him to feel let down by anyone else. Explain though that him staying is conditional on your younger children being safe and not negatively impacted by him. You can explain that that isn’t because you love them more but because they’re very little, have no choice in who they live with and can’t keep themselves safe, whereas he’s much older and he’s choosing how to behave and where to live. Then go through some expectations for behaviour. As a starting point only pick a couple that are most important to you and be really clear, for example you won’t ever smash items in the home. Then ask him what support he needs for him to adhere to them, e.g a gp visit, a referral to camhs, family counselling, individual counselling etc?

This.

I’d also add that whilst you’re doing an amazing thing taking him in and giving him a chance, you seem quite dismissive of his feelings towards his dad - he did break the family. He had an affair and then bunked off when your brother was a little boy. He may have been a decent dad to you, but it sounds awful for your poor brother.

Ddakji · 19/07/2025 21:19

You criticised your mum for not involving social services and taking th easy route of allowing him to do everything to keep the peace - and now you’re doing exactly the same thing. Only it’s worse because you have children in the house with him. And not fair on your partner.

So do what she didn’t. Call social services.

whistlesandbells · 19/07/2025 21:18

”if you go without him then don’t bother coming back?” … to your own house?!

OP - you have to ask your brother to leave. You have 2 young children. This is not ok on your children

BlueBelle7979 · 19/07/2025 21:15

Your number one priority are your children

JMSA · 19/07/2025 21:14

Sorry, I hadn’t read beyond your opening post and can see that others have already brought this up. Well, I’m glad it has made you question things.

JMSA · 19/07/2025 21:12

So sorry, OP. You sound like an amazing person and big sister. And you’re in an impossible situation.
Can I just say one thing though. Your father should be travelling to see you. No man worth his salt would expect you to make a 9 hour journey with small children. And after doing fuck all for years, it’s kinda the least he can do.

londongirl12 · 19/07/2025 21:10

He doesn’t sound autistic. He sounds like a traumatised child who is not coping. He needs therapy. And I think sitting down and telling him if he carries on this way, he’ll end up in care.
I wouldn’t be going to Germany. You need to put yourself and your 2 kids first in this.

LurkyMcLurkinson · 19/07/2025 21:07

Personally I would sit him down and lay all your cards on the table. Tell him you’re desperate for your living arrangement to work, because you Iove him, you want to offer him stability and you don’t want him to feel let down by anyone else. Explain though that him staying is conditional on your younger children being safe and not negatively impacted by him. You can explain that that isn’t because you love them more but because they’re very little, have no choice in who they live with and can’t keep themselves safe, whereas he’s much older and he’s choosing how to behave and where to live. Then go through some expectations for behaviour. As a starting point only pick a couple that are most important to you and be really clear, for example you won’t ever smash items in the home. Then ask him what support he needs for him to adhere to them, e.g a gp visit, a referral to camhs, family counselling, individual counselling etc?

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