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To cancel our trip to see dad cos of how my brother’s behaving?

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ShellToast86 · 19/07/2025 20:06

Just need to get this out. It’s long, messy, and I don’t even know what I’m asking really

My younger brother (17 end of Aug) moved in with me back in May after my mum basically couldn’t cope anymore. I’m 13 years older than him and pretty much helped raise him. Changed nappies, fed him, school runs, everything. It’s always been me stepping in when mum couldn’t. She’s always had MH stuff – depression, anxiety, agoraphobia – but never got help. She’s not well and hasn’t been for years but just refuses support.

Our dad cheated when my brother was a toddler – around 2 – and they split. Dad actually stayed involved for a long time after, regular contact, weekends, school things. But then moved back to Germany when my brother was around 10/11. That’s when things started to unravel. My brother doesn’t remember the details, just blames dad for “breaking the family”. Won’t speak to him now, blocked him on everything, ignores all his messages. Says he never had a dad. It’s like he’s rewritten history.

He lived with mum until May but things had got really bad. She let him get away with everything – missed school constantly, weed from about 14, hanging out with older lads, no bedtime, no rules. She called it “keeping the peace”. He was her baby and she wouldn’t hear a bad word against him. He knew it too. The last couple years it turned properly toxic – swearing at her, smashing her phone, shouting in her face, threatening her, throwing stuff. She rang me in tears multiple times but still refused to involve social services. Said he wasn’t going into care and it was either me or dad. Dad’s in Germany and my brother won’t even speak his name, so that left me.

He said he didn’t want to live with her anymore. Said she was “too much”, called her pathetic, said he wasn’t her carer. She was scared of him by the end.

So he came to live with me, my partner, and our two boys – one’s 7, the other’s 14 months and has Down syndrome.

At first it seemed like a fresh start. He said he’d redo his GCSEs, go to college in Sept, started going to the gym with my partner, who was trying hard to be a stable influence. He was even getting on with the boys a bit. I thought we were turning a corner.

But then it unravelled fast. He’s back on the weed – every day – stinks of it, red eyes, out late. Vapes indoors even though I’ve told him not to. His room is disgusting – dirty clothes, dirty plates, bottles of piss under the bed. Won’t wash, won’t clean, won’t even open a window. Barely eats unless it’s sugar and junk.

He lies constantly. Even about pointless stuff. Steals – took my partner’s airpods, denied it even when they were sticking out his hoodie pocket. Refuses to follow any rules. Won’t contribute, won’t speak respectfully, just sits around sneering. Then if you call him out, you’re “bullying” him.

He gets angry out of nowhere, or just cold and weird. Can sit in silence for hours with a blank face, then suddenly explode over something tiny. He said something truly vile about my youngest the other week – “why bother with him, he’s never gonna be normal anyway” – and didn’t even flinch. Just said it and moved on. No apology. Like it was just a fact. I didn’t even know what to say.

He does things that make me wonder about ASD. I used to work in an SEN school as a TA so I’ve seen traits before. He stims – finger picks until he bleeds, rocks sometimes, gets really fixated on random things like certain foods, routines, very black-and-white thinking. Can’t cope if things don’t go exactly his way. He struggles socially too – either totally withdrawn or too intense. Doesn’t seem to get boundaries or tone.

I brought up the idea of maybe exploring if he might be autistic – gently, just as a possible support route – and he absolutely lost it. Said I was calling him a freak, smashed a glass, stormed out and didn’t come back for hours. Said I was just like everyone else, trying to label him. He won’t talk about it now.

So now we’re meant to be going to see our dad on Monday. He’s over from Germany and hasn’t seen us in years. I was looking forward to it – dad wants to meet the baby and see my eldest again. My partner can’t come cos of work so it’d just be me, both boys, and my brother. The journey’s brutal – train to London, Eurostar, then train the other side. About 9 hours door to door.

My brother was reluctant to agree to the trip from the start. Said he didn’t care, didn’t want to see dad, had nothing to say. So I mentioned maybe just me and the boys going instead and now he’s done a complete 180. Full blown meltdown. Shouting, storming around the house, saying I’m abandoning him, that I’m just like mum. Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

I’m exhausted. I don’t feel safe travelling that far with him and two young kids and no partner there to help. But if I leave him here, I don’t know what he’ll do – he goes missing when he’s in these moods.

AIBU to cancel the whole thing? Or just go without him?

OP posts:
BlackCoffeeAndSugar · 20/07/2025 12:37

Everyone saying SS won't do anything- unlikely if the brother was living with an adult amd an adult only but this brother is now a safeguarding risk to a 7 year old and a disabled baby.

SS will be concerned from that angle. OP is failing to safeguard her own children. They shouldn't be living with someone constantly vaping, doing drugs, pissing in bottles and leaving them around for a crawling baby to find, and being verbally abusive - including towards a baby with DS. THAT is the bit SS will care about and take action on. OP need to take action of this isn't going to look good on her or her husband as they are continuing to facilitate this.

Zellycat · 20/07/2025 12:27

The urine … the just not caring.

Mental illness or heavy drugs/alcohol use. Both/self medicating.

Literally no other reason a young person would urinate under a bed.

My experience SS won’t do anything, prob tell you to call police thinking it will fix things. It won’t. They will literally only care if younger child gets hurt … then it will be your fault. But defo call & request adult assessment. Always describe your worst day with him.

However … when he’s 18, it will be a criminal issue if he hurts young child.

He’s almost 18, between child & adult & neither adult nor children’s social will step in, please do call SS urgently and get his case on the list for assessment. You should tell them you think it’s MH issue as your mother suffers it.

Regarding the trip - you are screwed either way …. So go without him. Hide all valuables, lock your bedroom. Take keys with you.

LurkyMcLurkinson · 20/07/2025 12:21

OP I really feel for you. Unfortunately you are right in terms of how he is likely to respond to what he perceives as a rejection. He is clearly incredibly traumatised and that will carry very long term consequences. The best way to navigate this will be with the support of children’s services, who have supported many a traumatised young person. As the above poster mentioned it’s incredibly unlikely he’ll go to care, especially given his age. There is also a time limit on the support they can offer as once he’s 18 they will not offer any more support and adult services criteria is harder to meet.

Joli76 · 20/07/2025 11:19

You sound like you are such a lovely person! It sounds like this trip won’t work given the circumstances. I think your Dad should be coming to you.

It is incredibly unlikely that social care would bring your brother into care, this is a really common misconception, but they may be able to help you get him the right support.

You might want to look up exploitation given the stealing, drugs, and missing from home.

Lots of what you are doing is really positive in terms of getting him into college, spending time with him, your partner role modelling etc. If he has had no rules or boundaries at your Mums it will be really hard for you to implement them, I would suggest starting small with some non negotiables.

grumpygrape · 20/07/2025 11:16

BlackCoffeeAndSugar · 20/07/2025 05:44

You know as soon as your child mentions this at school you will be referred to SS anyway? And they aren't going to look favourably on you and dh for having a drug addict with bottles of piss lying around . Esp with a disabled baby too.

This situation is ridiculous. Everyone is tiptoe around him. Nothing will change at college. You need to get real.

You are complicit in this now and are allowing your children to see this. Ss should have been called YEARS ago. Your brother has been failed by not having professional help.

Blunt but correct.

OP, you really must contact Children's Services. You have a prime responsibility to your children, your brother is not your responsibility, he never has been despite you having taken on that responsibility at times. Your children's safety must come first. I'm surprised your husband hasn't put his foot down.

Cherrysoup · 20/07/2025 11:02

Cancel the trip, that’s insane. Did your dad request it or did you offer (you’re a people pleaser, aren’t you?)

You need SS involvement, you are not your brother’s career, although you’ve been that most of his life. You need to prioritise your children. I’m amazed your partner is tolerating this.

kiwiane · 20/07/2025 10:54

Going to Germany on your own is too much - I’d cancel; your much bigger problem is getting your brother out of your home and safeguarding your young children. I would stop putting him first and ask him to leave - he’s not going to foster care at his age believe me.

cannynotsay · 20/07/2025 10:49

Look sometimes people have to learn the hard way. By allowing him to stay you’re causing a form on enabling him. He won’t learn. He knows he can get away with it.

have you ever considered your children are scared of him? Are you?

ShellToast86 · 20/07/2025 10:45

To the ones saying I need to contact social services – I know. I really do. I’ve known for a while this is way more than I can manage on my own. But I’m scared. If they put him in foster care I honestly think it could break him even more. He already feels unwanted, like nobody gives a toss about him – I think it would confirm everything he believes about himself. That he’s a problem to be moved around or shoved out of the way. I know that doesn’t mean I should sacrifice my kids’ safety and my own mental health, but it’s not that easy in practice. I can’t stop picturing him thinking I gave up on him.

Someone asked what his explanation was about the urine under the bed – at first he said it was my 7yo (??), which obviously it wasn’t. Then when I called that out, he laughed and said he just needs to pee a lot and couldn’t be arsed going to the toilet. I told him it was disgusting and unacceptable and he just shrugged and said “mum didn’t care, she just left me alone so what else was I meant to do?” No shame, just blank. That sums it up really.

To the people saying I should tell him to leave – I get it, I really do. But the reality is he’s got nowhere to go. He’s adamant he’s not going back to mum’s and I genuinely believe she wouldn’t have him anyway. She won’t say it outright but she’s scared of him now and I don’t blame her. He’s not got any friends he can stay with, no other family. It’d be me sending him out onto the street and I can’t do that. I just can’t.

For the ones saying cancel the trip and ask dad to come to me – I’m leaning more and more that way. I should’ve pushed back on that sooner. It’s been left to me (again) to make this mad 9-hour trip with two small kids and a brother I can’t even trust to behave for an hour, let alone a whole day of travel. I’ve messaged dad this morning and asked if he’d consider coming here instead, even just for a day or two.

I told my brother again last night that we might not be going to Germany and he went into a massive strop. Said I was “leaving him again” and that he’s bored, has no one to do anything with, and everyone’s always making decisions without him. But he didn’t want to go in the first place?? Said he’s not getting on a plane ever so flying’s not even an option. He’s just all over the place.

He doesn’t have a job – he did a bit of work experience with my partner when he first moved in and was actually doing OK, learning bits and sticking with it, but we couldn’t keep it going because there wasn’t really anything regular for him to do. Since then, nothing. I’ve suggested part-time stuff, even just something like McDonald’s to get him out and around people, and he turned his nose up. Said he’s not working in “some fast food dump”.

And as for speaking to someone – mentally or physically – I really don’t think he will. He’s totally closed off to that kind of thing. Thinks it’s all crap. I’ve tried. But he either shuts it down or kicks off.

Anyway, sorry this is another long one. Just wanted to check back in and say thank you. I’m still not sure what I’m going to do yet but reading your replies makes me feel less alone.

OP posts:
H0ldmybeer · 20/07/2025 10:27

It all sounds really. I think you've got three separate issues here (1) your Dad - I can't understand why you're travelling to him. If he's that interesting in having a meaningful relationship with either of his children, he needs to travel to you (2) your brother - I'd suggest seeking support from social services asap (appreciate this is easier said than done) (3) your children - how is it for them living in this environment. They don't have a choice around any of this.

Hope things get better for you

jessycake · 20/07/2025 10:13

I would put the trip off , not only is it extremely stressful , you will spend all the time worrying about what is going on at home .

Spanglemum02 · 20/07/2025 10:02

Also I agree with others could be autism, nut also with could be personality disorder, or bipolar or anxiety.

Social services etc are there to help. You have to prioritise your younger children. Its not 'giving up.on him' it's getting him the help.he needs.

Spanglemum02 · 20/07/2025 09:52

londongirl12 · 19/07/2025 21:10

He doesn’t sound autistic. He sounds like a traumatised child who is not coping. He needs therapy. And I think sitting down and telling him if he carries on this way, he’ll end up in care.
I wouldn’t be going to Germany. You need to put yourself and your 2 kids first in this.

This. Plus you need help from social services, youth services, whoever else you can get. He might be autistic but it sounds like trauma and attachment problems. What's his explanation for bottles of urine under the bed?
Social services will work with him and you. He does need to understand that this cannot continue. I feel for all of you. I agree with others, it's your dad who needs to travel not you.

Weekmindedfool · 20/07/2025 09:45

Can’t believe your dp has put up with this for so long and can’t believe you havent kicked him out. Why subject your family
to this? You are in endangering them physically and emotionally - you are risking your own relationship with your partner and children. If I was your partner I would have lost the plot by now.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 20/07/2025 09:41

I wouldn’t visit your father on the grounds that he created this shit show in the first place and you’ve been left to pick up the pieces every time.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:40

@JMSA you're right - that was an initial reaction that dad should be parenting, but he hasn't for years so why would he start now.
even if brother went, dad wouldn't be equipped to deal with the fallout and behaviour that would happen there and German services wouldn't step in to help apart from arresting or section of him if needed.

Best he gets help in the uk the government that has a duty of care over him.

cannynotsay · 20/07/2025 09:39

You need to let him go and get help while he can. You need to focus on your children fast and your partner. It’s shocking to me you’re allowing this behaviour around a 7 year old. Get him out! It’s harsh I know but you’re a mother to your children first not him.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:34

Elisheva · 20/07/2025 07:42

I wouldn’t take your db to see your dad for many reasons, but the main one is that it’s going to be very traumatic for him and you won’t be able to deal with the emotional fallout of an already broken child confronting the dad who abandoned him.
As a pp said before I don’t think it’s autism, I think it’s attachment, and it doesn’t matter that he’s ’old enough to know better’, he isn’t going to suddenly turn into a well adjusted, well behaved boy without considerable support. This is not his fault, and it’s not your fault, your parents have badly let you both down.
You need professional help to know how to manage him, and he needs professional help to process all the trauma and learn a better way to be. You can’t mend him by yourself.

This

JMSA · 20/07/2025 09:33

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:27

I had another idea- can you leave little kids with partner, take brother to Germany and dad have him for summer?

How would that work, given he (understandably) hates his dad and would refuse to go?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:33

nomas · 20/07/2025 07:38

Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

What an entitled little shit. College won’t change him. Prioritise your children and get him out.

He's feeling rejected by everyone and projecting this feeling of rejection onto the only safe consistent person

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:30

I think those remarks about your youngest, which will have been awful to hear, are him projecting how broken he feels within himself

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:29

I hope
You are getting your brothers child benefit and child maintenance from both his parents btw

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:27

I had another idea- can you leave little kids with partner, take brother to Germany and dad have him for summer?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:25

PeapodMcgee · 20/07/2025 00:27

What the fuck is your Mum playing at, palming him off onto you. He is NOT your responsibility, he never should have been, and he is well old enough to know how to behave. He goes into foster care. Christ alive.

What is dad playing at too this child has two parents. Dad should be stepping up, jumping on a plane, putting him in German rehab over the summer and enrolling him in a German international school for 6th form with regular drug testing.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:20

I would be saying to dad you don't think you can do the trip and try to cash in the train tickets to vouchers to use another time if you can? Unless you fancy the trip of course. Dad should have travelled to you though, I agree it's sad he hasn't.

You need to guard your young kids. The younger your brother is the better for him when professionals are involved.

You can call your LA's duty line or MASH and ask to speak to sommeone, or go via the designated safeguarding lead at your kids school if they haven't already broken up
For holidays. You're thinking that it is a huge step and they'll suddenly take him away to care the moment you call- they will try to support the family and him first that would be a last resort. They would probably put your family on child in need plan due to the risk brother poses and they could do lots for him eg mentoring regularly and finding him stuff to do in the summer.

The bottles of piss in the bedroom- I've only heard of this with extreme ocd. I wonder what's going on.

I hope your brother would be willing to chat to a psychologist about all the changes he's had in his life and how he feels about his parents. It won't initially be sold to him as a process to get a diagnosis.

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