To think “Side Hustle” can get in the bin?

Fair enough.

I agree OP that the economic environment is very different to how it was when your parents were young. Our lives are better in some ways but definitely worse in others.

Agreed

Couldn’t agree more with this. While some have the wealth to live a ‘wellness’ dream!

I agree, but we families didn't expect to buy houses, either. And families of men in the professions could afford to live on one income in a decent house, usually with at least one servant - which was fortunate, as if women were allowed in a particular profession at all, there were often marriage bars so they would have been forced out on becoming a wife, and if there wasn't an official bar, there was usually a social one in practice. Plus lower wages and no access to promotions.

When I learned about the pinning of clothes, I realised a pinafore was just literally named.

To me, a side hustle isn't a second job as in employment, but an activity you earn money from, be it tutoring, coaching, an app, a craft, etc. It could become a job if successful, but it's not like food delivery or cleaning where someone else employs you.

Moonlighting is a second job outside of the normal daylight hours job, but to me, it also has connotations of being slightly dodgy.

Maybe! But I wa actually wondering about the subjects

100% with you OP.

First bone of contention is that the cost of living even a modest lifestyle outstrips income potential for vast swathes of people in full time work.

"Side hustles" often generate little in the way of meaningful extra income if they are "legit" once you factor in things like overheads - if it's a service you may need insurance or qualifications that cost, if it's online selling the competition is huge and you need advanced tech skills to maximise your SEO, and be proficient at navigating multiple platforms to maximum exposure. You also have to factor in the extremely high expectations of customers who are used to Amazon speed of delivery and variety on the scale of cheaper large online platforms which I won't name as MN automatically hides the posts in case of spam.

For every 1 person apparently "girl bossing" their "side hustle" there are thousands wrangling courier fubars and arguing the difference between cerise and puce with someone who has actually decided their pug didn't need a new bandana after all, and weeping with frustration because a bad review has gone viral as a result.

I'm often accused of being a negative Nancy and unwilling to put on the effort to improve my own dire financial situation, but I've done bricks and mortar retail as an independent and tried the online thing, and do know what I'm talking about. There aren't enough hours in the day if you have family responsibilities and a job for all the admin, and you have to be "on it" virtually 24 / 7.

There is almost an element of delusion about it all these days, as if determination alone will do it. But it's like Fight Club, so we're not supposed to talk about it.

If you worked in a pub or supermarket you wouldn't call it a side hustle so it must only mean self employed.

i don’t think working class couples have ever really been able to live on one wage, going through my family history many generations of women going back to 19th century worked and I don’t think my family is unusual

They existed in very small numbers compared with dress pins through the medieval and early modern periods when the term had its origins, hence mudlarks/archaeologists finding relatively few.

Takeouts and nurseries were not as commonplace in the 80s, but there was certainly plenty to spend money on if you had it. I had a friend whose parents were both full time professionals. She was certainly more middle class and went on foreign holidays, ate out in nice restaurants, had a four bedroomed detached and a nice car and the latest gadgets and electronics- soda stream, video recorder, exercise bike, branded clothes and makeup, etc. They wouldn't have been able to live like this on one working class income. The difference is that in those days people lived within their means more.

thecountessoffitzdotterel they were also hair pins as well as clothes pins.

Side hussle is a term very much used in the UK. I don't beleive the older people I know would of heard of it but I'm 40 and hear it all the time.
I've had 2 sides huddles that i love. I don't need them to cover any costs, I just love the feeling of making a sale, I have a big entrepreneurial side so it feeds that.

I take your point and I think we are a similar age so I know what you’re talking about, but a lot of these things simply didn’t exist - there were no home computers, hardly any childcare providers, far fewer takeaways etc. So it’s not that people did without and denied themselves because these things weren’t a feature of life and everyone was in the same boat.

A second job (like yours marking essays) with guaranteed wages or being paid ad hoc to complete surveys isn’t a ‘hustle’ IMO. There is an organisation paying you, ie no ‘hustle’.

Your parents sound rude!

They’re not hair pins, they’re for clothes. Pins were used extensively in women’s clothing. For instance in the portrait of Jane Seymour in a red dress you can see a whole line of pins holding the placard of her gown on.

My DS is 25 and his side hustle earns around 1/1.3k per month, he’s managed to save over 100k and is just about to buy a 280k property on his own.

Yes. Work more and more and more. Earn more by working more so you can make ends meet.

It's a joke. Played on everyone. And we still strive because we want to survive.

UK it's called moonlighting i.e. having a part time or evening job as well as your main job. Side hustle is American term for the same.

*Side hustles where you work for yourself (like an Etsy presence) have to be declared. Side hustles working for someone else are not allowed.

Agreed, my interpretation too