AIBU to agree with Diane Abbott

So you’re speaking in an undertone. Ironic.

It’s an obvious deduction for anyone not picking up a pitchfork.

I mean that's your take on it, of course.

No I'm not referring to that.

That’s the problem though. Having the piss taken out of you for being a ginge is not akin to racism.

Because she’s mixed race. She’s caught between multiple races. She has black heritage but may not see herself as fully black or fully any other ethnicity.

Do you really need an explanation?

Maybe because the first poster didn't say they were black and then that they weren't black? While berating everyone else for racism to boot.

Why didn’t @neveragainforreal , who posted ‘As a Jewish person of colour, my experience is that I have encountered more racism for being Jewish than being a person of colour’ face this aggressive questioning?

Why is @Lavenderflower being singled out?

Why didn’t @neveragainforreal , who posted ‘As a Jewish person of colour, my experience is that I have encountered more racism for being Jewish than being a person of colour’ face this aggressive questioning?

Why is @Lavenderflower being singled out?

No, you explicitly said you were Black, then that you were not Black.

Are you Black or not?

Then we can agree that we shouldn't be comparing different forms of racism, and can acknowledge that other groups have suffered from systemic, institutional racism, as well?

The current group facing the systemic and institutional racism are black people though.

It doesn’t diminish other forms of racism to acknowledge that.

But don’t the statistics for black students bear her point?

I can see your clearly trying to be funny. I clearly stated I am mixed race. A person who has black, jewish and other ethnicities is mixed race.

Then we can agree that we shouldn't be comparing different forms of racism, and can acknowledge that other groups have suffered from systemic, institutional racism, as well?

Unfortunately there are many posters here who have diminished others' lived experiences, and their ethnic group's historical experience of racism. Competition over who has 'suffered most' is counterproductive.

I can see your clearly trying to be funny. I clearly stated I am mixed race. A person who has black, jewish and other ethnicities is mixed race.

Yes I do, I lived in Hackney and most of my children were born there. She had the same choices as the rest of us including my black friends with sons. Some good, some adequate. She's been the MP in Hackney North/Stoke Newington since 1987 so if she really believed there wasn't a single school good enough for her son, she's greatly let down her constituents, especially black parents.

You call it prioritising her son. I call it her using stereotypes of black boys in order to excuse buying the sort of privilege she's spent her life supposedly campaigning against. We all saw through her nonsense at the time. What a shame she doesn't think black boys can do any better than join gangs.

I can see your clearly trying to be funny. I clearly stated I am mixed race. A person who has black, jewish and other ethnicities is mixed race.

You at 19:44 today
"As someone who is both Black and Jewish (among other ethnic backgrounds), I’ve experienced firsthand how conversations about racism can feel tiered. In my lived reality, anti-black racism is often dismissed, especially when it comes to historical trauma"

You at 20:13 today
"I may not be Black or Brown"

How did you go from being Black to not Black in half an hour? Am I getting confused here....?

Do we know what schooling options she had at the time? I’m not familiar with Hackney so can’t comment.

Her son got 11 A*s and was fast tracked an a graduate through the diplomatic division. He is now in a good career and also a consultant for a charity helping black women.

In the 2022-2023 academic year, just 4.9% of students from the Black Caribbean ethnic group achieved at least 3 A grades or better at A level, which was the lowest percentage among all ethnic groups except for Irish Traveller and Gypsy/Roma.

In GCSEs, 59% of Black pupils achieved a standard pass (grades 9-4) in English and Maths combined in 2018-2019, which was the lowest rate among all major ethnic groups.

I can’t blame her prioritising her son over other people’s opinions.

You at 19:44 today
"As someone who is both Black and Jewish (among other ethnic backgrounds), I’ve experienced firsthand how conversations about racism can feel tiered. In my lived reality, anti-black racism is often dismissed, especially when it comes to historical trauma"

You at 20:13 today
"I may not be Black or Brown"

How did you go from being Black to not Black in half an hour? Am I getting confused here....?

@ForWittyTealOP Why should I align myself or build solidarity with individuals who deny the existence of racism experienced by Black and Brown communities, simply because many of them live in areas like Hackney? That line of thinking is dismissive and reductive. Do you take me for a fool?

I may not be Black or Brown, but as someone who is visibly mixed race, I face racism based solely on how I look. Are you seriously asking me to centre people who have shown no concern for me or for others who share my experience? Do you genuinely believe your perspective is more important or your life more valuable than mine? The audacity.

I have no interest in aligning with people who discredit my views by labelling them “too flowery” or “too intellectual” just because they don't like your view point. I have no interest in people calling me a racist because I recognise that appearance influences racism. Solidarity isn’t built by making everything about yourself while dismissing other perspective that doesn't align with your world view.

Also have you changed your user name in the thread.