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AIBU to agree with Diane Abbott

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Elephantiner · 17/07/2025 14:18

I cannot stand Diane Abbott, she has a lazy, patronising manner which riles me, but she has said that people visiblybof a different race (e.g. black people) experience a different sort of racism than those who’s race is not visually obvious (travellers, Jewish people etc). She has a point, doesn’t she? Am I missing something here?

Obviously all types of racism are utterly abhorrent.

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Serpentstooth · 17/07/2025 14:38

She's partly correct but it's not a bloody competition Diane, all of it's wrong, there's no kudos to be gained by claiming the top rung in a hierarchy of oppression. She is definitely not everyone's cup of tea but she's put in the years with Labour and they've treated her badly given her years of service, so I expect she's feeling pretty miffed.

FighterPilotSwifts · 17/07/2025 14:37

All she has said, as far as I know, is that black people are instantly identified by others as black while people from other groups are not always instantly identified as coming from that group. Which I agree is true.
She hasn't said there's a hierarchy of racism it's just different. Black people cannot hide being black, for them racism is inescapable

BusyExpert · 17/07/2025 14:35

Elephantiner · 17/07/2025 14:18

I cannot stand Diane Abbott, she has a lazy, patronising manner which riles me, but she has said that people visiblybof a different race (e.g. black people) experience a different sort of racism than those who’s race is not visually obvious (travellers, Jewish people etc). She has a point, doesn’t she? Am I missing something here?

Obviously all types of racism are utterly abhorrent.

I have always believed that to dislike someone just because of their skin colour is illogical and stupid , just as to bend over to show favour to people because of their skin colour is patronising. However it cannot be denied that racial characteristics do not help people whose race has become associated with a certain kind of behaviour and the colour of someone's skin is a very obvious one. When I was young and living in a multiracial area, there seemed to be less hesitation about becoming friends with others based on their character rather than racial characteristics. However the advent of DEI has driven more of a divide between races and that is down to activists of all colours including the white woke chattering classes.

I also cannot stand Diane Abbot but even a stopped clock is right twice a day, she is right on this and on assisted dying.

TeenagersAngst · 17/07/2025 14:29

It's reductive to compare race in this way. What does 'a different sort of way' even mean. It's subjective - some people will feel racially discriminated against and others won't, even in the same scenarios. And how on earth can she possibly know? What metrics is she using?

AnonymousCatLady3 · 17/07/2025 14:27

She is right. She’s also stated that yes, those other groups do experience it, but it’s far more overt for people of colour / obviously other

Hasn’t stopped the party immediately accusing her of antisemitism though. Even when she quite clearly stated that Jews also experience racism. I won’t get started on Gaza, I won’t start on Gaza I won’t.

Sidebeforeself · 17/07/2025 14:27

Im not sure it’s helpful to have discussions about different sorts of racism (ie between different races) unless it’s in the context of highlighting micro aggressions for example. Otherwise, the risk is people think you are implying one form of racism is worse than another.

Having been called out on this before, you think she’d have more sense than to open herself to that criticism again.

soddingspiderseason · 17/07/2025 14:25

I don’t think there should be a hierarchy of racism. In terms of history, the Jewish community has experienced racism for thousands of years - the colour of their skin is irrelevant. I really don’t like this type of comparison, and it feels intrinsically wrong.

LaurieFairyCake · 17/07/2025 14:23

She’s very obviously right, much more overt racism at people who’s skin is a different colour to the majority.

obviously all forms are bad.