AIBU to agree with Diane Abbott

They're not. And I remind you she's spent a lifetime fighting prejudice in London, prejudice against Jews and all minorities.

Blimey. If only all Jewish people had been treated like Harrison Ford. Rather than persecution.

I would hope you wouldn’t get started on Gaza while discussing racism experienced by Jewish people. It would suggest you’re not able to make a distinction between Israelis (and not even all Israelis, just the ones that support Netanyahu which not all Israelis do), and Jewish people more broadly. Which, yes, would indicate that you are deeply antisemitic, and also not that bright.

THIS

And her suspension and accusations of being ‘antisemitic’ are a symptom of a party with no values and beliefs, who are terrified of Reform .
The fucking state of British politics right now, the choice between
Reform, a bunch of spivs, cranks and a few genuine racists, who fantasises about being the poodle of President Trump.
Conservatives, led by Kemi who thinks if she’s more far right than the Spivs , people will forget the last ten years of Tories destroying this country.
And last and least we have Starmer, the toolmakers son, who is a classic lawyer, a morally empty vessel who will do whatever it takes to win.
I despair.
No, Diane wasn’t wrong, and it’s not antisemitic to say Jews experience a different form of prejudice, Jewish people aren’t a race, when I see Harrison Ford, I don’t think Jew, when I see Diane I see black.
Its fucking ridiculous.

Of course she’s correct its a no brainer.

None of that means she can't be wrong about this.

Great. And why do Jewish people need to be on the receiving end of her comments?

Asian people? Hasidic Jews? They’re instantly recognisable too.
She could have worded this much better.

And?

Yes it’s sad to see. Politically she’s made headway but minimising other people’s experience of racism / antisemitism is not the way to go.

Yep. Awful. Nobody innocent should have been targeted like this after those attacks. There was very little coverage in the media and people just suffered in silence with attacks or ‘joke’ or jibes from people for years afterwards.

Sikhs were murdered after 9/11. Because they were mistaken for Muslims.

The abuse visibly Muslim people got after 9/11 and 7/7 was awful. Nobody cared though.

She did.

I agree with her. I have seen black people receive worse treatment than white people before they have even opened their mouths.

She absolutely didn't say that though. She said it is different. And it is.

The racism of low expectations is disturbing to see. She is highly intelligent, experienced and savvy. She has experienced racism. She has been feted because of her race. To think she can't be expected to see racism and bigotry against other groups, particularly those with such a long experience of racism like Jews and travellers is unforgivable.

She doesn't think there are different types of racism. She thinks that Jewish people and travellers do not ever experience racism.

I think it's very helpful to have discussions about different types of racism actually, and she's absolutely correct in what she's saying.

I'm white so don't think I have a right to say. But it's surface level instant racism.

If you put a traveler in a horse and trap I'd argue the hatred and ability to voice that without fear of anyone pulling you up isn't the same as it for black people. You'd be ripped apart for insulting a black person on FB.

You wouldn't for a traveler. However I doubt Diana has ever met a traveler so she can't relate.

She probably has no idea about Islamaphobia or being Irish during the IRA in England. She no doubt at all understands racism. But she can not talk for or relate to eg travelers.

I agree with her.

Abbot is very likely going to retire at the next election anyway, so she doesn’t care whether she has the Labour whip or not. She can now say what she really thinks without having to worry about deselection. I disagree with her about many things, including many of her views on race, but she has earned the right to do that.

Diane Abbot's opinion minimises other peoples' experience of prejudice and racism. This very dangerous, divisive and not helpful in the long run. Her arrogance and obstinance means she has doubled down on her theory and has not managed to accept that she has offended many.
The Labour Party was correct in suspending her. Diane Abbot, in a strange way, is encouraging divisiveness and negativity.

She commented about travellers too, has anyone pulled her up on that?

I think she raises an interesting point, are racism /prejudice /bigotry exactly the same, or are they different things? Its good to have these kinds of conversations, we don't all need to froth in rage, or fall over in horror! She certainly should never have been suspended from the Labour Party (twice now!) I think Starmer hates her because shes always been close to Corbyn. And the media hate her because she's a strong straight talking black woman.