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To be worries? 0 on phonics screening.

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lollilou2 · 17/07/2025 11:05

My DS5, in year 1, got 0 on his phonics screening. They done 12 words with him, then decided not to carry on.

We read to him every night, he can’t read to us as he can’t read yet, but what else can be done to support him at home? He does small group work at school, is there anything else school can do to help him along? He is already on the SEN register but that’s due to speech and language.

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theresapossuminthekitchen · 17/07/2025 20:34

lollilou2 · 17/07/2025 13:00

@SpanThatWorld I did ask when he started reception, when he had a general assessment from the LA’s early intervention team they said that as he wears glasses to correct his vision he will be fine and a assessment from a QTVI isn’t needed. They primarily focused on his SALT from there.

I’m very surprised by this. I have taught a couple of students with nystagmus at secondary school and they had significant adaptations to all work as well as glasses (not that it’s critical here, but for full picture - these students were in selective grammar school environments, so academically doing well.)

stargirl1701 · 17/07/2025 20:21

Before phonics is rhyme. Does he listen to you read nursery rhymes? Can he repeat nursery rhymes? Can he identify rhyming words in rhyming picture books?

mathanxiety · 17/07/2025 20:16

BreakfastClub80 · 17/07/2025 12:49

I’d consider whether he might be better suited to learning to read by sight (I think a PP mentioned Ladybird books). My DD is dyslexic and struggled with phonics but years later she can spell some really difficult words but still struggles with some simpler ones.

Then practise 10/15 mins a day.

There are lists of the most common words at various ages, maybe look at these if you want to see how he’s getting on. I used to check every now and again through junior school.

Keep reading to him also,

We also tried audio books with a paperback alongside to give some independence when DD was about 10/11. I just didn’t want her to miss out on the stories at that point, not just helping her to read better.

Agree - sight reading is better for some.

The sight word list used in the US is called Dolch words. This complete list of (iirc) 220 words that make up about 80% of words in literature aimed at under-8s is available online in pdf form and on various websites. It's sorted by grades/ levels.

SodapopCurtis · 17/07/2025 19:31

My son has it hard due to speech sounds and blending issues.
As a teacher though I would say look at those pre skills. If you clap clap tap tap. Can he do the rhythm back? Can he do rhyming words when you read... finishing off the sentence.

Keep up with the first sounds. But do some musical or patterns. 3/4 actions long then longer. It is preblending.
I hope that helps for something for the summer

MargaretThursday · 17/07/2025 19:12

cantkeepawayforever · 17/07/2025 18:27

But in a child with an SEN that affects all learning and seems to be resulting in significant delay in all areas, it is unhelpful to think that a change of method will enable a huge leap forward - rather that it might be a route to explore once full assessment of his difficulties have been carried out.

Otoh if you have a child who is not learning with phonics, then continuing using the same method may equally well be unhelpful.

You can't know.

cantkeepawayforever · 17/07/2025 18:27

MargaretThursday · 17/07/2025 18:18

I agree.

Phonics may be the best way for most to learn to read.

That doesn't mean it's the best way for all to learn to read.

I learnt by whole word recognition and just didn't get phonics. I remember the moment it clicked. I was reading Lord of the Rings. It's not necessary for them to have to do it by phonics to get a long way in reading.

But in a child with an SEN that affects all learning and seems to be resulting in significant delay in all areas, it is unhelpful to think that a change of method will enable a huge leap forward - rather that it might be a route to explore once full assessment of his difficulties have been carried out.

MargaretThursday · 17/07/2025 18:18

DPotter · 17/07/2025 11:44

No direct help to you now OP but I can't 'do' phonics. Yes I can sound out C A T but it's just parrot fashion, doesn't connect with anything in my head so to speak. I learnt to read by pattern recognition rather than sounding out the words.

I am however educated to Masters degree level and have held down responsible jobs all my working career. I am appalling at spelling but I'm an avid recreational reader, always have been.

What I'm trying to say is that phonics is not the only way to learn to read, although it does seem to be the only way it is taught. Keep reading to your boy, especially over the holidays, and not just simple books, but ones with lovely engaging stories.

I agree.

Phonics may be the best way for most to learn to read.

That doesn't mean it's the best way for all to learn to read.

I learnt by whole word recognition and just didn't get phonics. I remember the moment it clicked. I was reading Lord of the Rings. It's not necessary for them to have to do it by phonics to get a long way in reading.

BackinGear · 17/07/2025 18:12

For boys (especially but also any very active child)..

letter carpet tiles to make words, sound them out whilst jumping on them in turn

large letters outside and a water pistol/washing up liquid bottle. Make words and squirt each letter as they are sounded out

Action games ‘can you… j-u-m-p’ ( s-i-t, s-t-o-p etc. )

Collect the cards (in order) from around a room, and sound them to make a word.

I will also add that the tv programme ‘Alphablocks’ is really useful in the visuals of joining letters together to make words.

Chuggachuggachuchu · 17/07/2025 17:53

Reading eggs app

whynotmereally · 17/07/2025 17:45

Phonics is the basis for reading it comes before reading/writing. It’s absolutely linked to s&l.
Do they send home read Write inc books to do at home? If no I’d order some to practice at home. Still do normal reading for pleasure tho as phonics books are not that great for installing a love of reading.

i would ask for a meeting with senco and class teacher and ask what they will be doing and also how he is doing on other areas - writing etc.
If he’s on the sen register they can apply for additional funding for some 1:1 support. I’d be pissed they are raising this now after the event and I’d want more than small group work as that should be standard.

hellotomrw · 17/07/2025 17:44

We practiced using the phonics cards they use at school. He had 50% attendance last year but we managed to get him caught up and he passed

Whoooo · 17/07/2025 17:33

If he got 0 then he cannot blend cvc words.

Try watching alphablocks with him or have it on in the background.

You can begin the ehcp process yourself, school don't have to request it.

There are template letters on websites like Sendiass. You could also contact your LA.

Good luck

Internaut · 17/07/2025 17:10

It sounds to me very much as if you should apply for an EHC needs assessment. At this stage you only need to show that he may have SEN - which is acknowledged already - and that he may need extra support via an EHCP. An assessment doesn't necessarily mean an EHCP will be granted, but it sounds as if it would be helpful to get to the bottom of what the issues are and what support your child needs.

ChocolateCoveredStrawberries · 17/07/2025 17:02

ChocolateCoveredStrawberries · 17/07/2025 13:31

If he recognises and knows the sounds that’s a good start! I would concentrate on trying to make blending a more practical activity then, particularly if he’s got S&L difficulties.

I’d start with blending just two sounds together (e.g. at, an, it, in, on) you could do made up words here too but if he struggles to say words with two conservative consonants I’d stick to blending a vowel sound and a consonant for now. To make it practical anything that involves things crashing together or being squashed together is perfect. E.g.

  • two toy cars and say one sound for each car and then crash the cars together and say the blended word
  • two Lego bricks and say one sound for each brick and then join together and say the blended word
  • two blobs of play dough and say one sound for each blob then squish them together and say the blended word
Or anything that involves more of his body works well too. E.g.
  • little jump for each sound and then a big jump for the blended word
  • Karate chop for each sound and then a clap for the blended word
  • magic wand “point” for each sound and a twirl for the blended word
  • stretch an arm out for each sound and then curl up into a ball for the blended word
Once he’s able to blend the two sounds together then start adding a third sound but using the blended words he’s already achieved. So from at go to cat, bat, mat etc

I’d keep these activities really short as if he’s finding it hard you don’t want it to become a battle for either of you. You want it to be something fun that you are doing together.

Phonics doesn’t click for every child so you might find that what actually helps him to read is whole word recognition so in September with his new teacher I would definitely ask what else they’re doing in school to support his reading rather other than just small group phonics support.

Good luck! I hope that this is helpful.

@lollilou2 I just wanted to add to this not to let Phonics stop you enjoying reading with your son as it sounds as though that’s something you do a lot of. And I wondered if you’d heard of wordless picture books? They’re exactly what they sound like stories without any words but they’d give your son an opportunity to read to you without any of the phonics pressure. There are lots of lovely ones but I particularly like “Flotsam” and “Journey”.

NewsdeskJC · 17/07/2025 16:51

My youngest dd had speech and language problems and although much of the speech problem was solved, she always struggled with reading.
I did Toe by Toe with her in the summer between year 4 and year 5. She also moved school as we moved and had loads of 121 and programmes in Year 5.
She finished primary at level 4, bang on average. A huge achievement for her.She followed through at Gcse, getting 8 at level 4 and above and grades 5 in English Maths and Science.
At the end of year 1, she was working towards reception level, at the end of year 4 she was at year 2 level.
I would say it's a long haul but keeping up confidence, praising their effort makes all the difference

OneBadKitty · 17/07/2025 16:47

There may be other ways to teach initial reading skills like whole word recognition, but all ways of teaching have to lead to phonics in the end, because letters represent spoken sounds in different combinations.

Nobody can possibly memorise every word in the dictionary by it's shape alone. Without using phonics you wouldn't be able to decode a word you have never read before. But we all can because we all use phonics to read whether you are aware of it or not.

MsDDxx · 17/07/2025 16:45

coffeegirl73 · 17/07/2025 11:55

DD didn’t read properly until she was 8 nearly 9. It just didn’t click with her. The school were pulling her out of class for what they used to call remedial English. Then suddenly she seemed to “get it” and read voraciously. She’s doing English at uni now. Personally I think there is way too much pressure on primary school kids to hit certain targets by a certain age. Kids develop at different rates and in different ways. Honestly OP I would try and relax and just do lots of play and chatting. They pick up our stress straight away which can have the opposite effect and make them scared or nervous and then it’s a catch 22 and they’re too young to be getting into all that. Enjoy the summer - as I say lots and lots of play and chatting and books to look at. HTH

I had to have extra reading lessons as a young child, then went on to excel in English at the top of the class.

Lindy2 · 17/07/2025 16:41

The Ladybird Peter and Jane books helped one of my children who was struggling with phonics.

They are actually incredibly good books for repetition of the most common words and building up slowly from the basics. Several generations learned to read this way and it can be combined with phonics. It's a good way of boosting confidence too.

How is his speech though OP? Is he speaking clearly or are the sounds not quite there yet? My other child could read well but had a speech issue where certain sounds weren't pronounced correctly. She really couldn't do L sounds at all.

We knew what she was saying even though it wasn't pronounced right. In the phonics test though the tester won't be familiar with your child's speech and they don't make allowances for speech impediments.

Some speech and language sessions did help my child a lot.

I'd request a meeting with the school and ask for confirmation of all additional support they now intend to provide.

lollilou2 · 17/07/2025 16:37

MsJemimaPuddleDuck · 17/07/2025 16:27

Have you had him assessed for a learning disability? My son was like this, diagnosed with a moderate learning disability.
we did the whole word learning approach in the end, he now reads at 16+ level and is only 14. Phonics just doesnt work for some kids x

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I actually don’t know how to get that assessed?

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MsJemimaPuddleDuck · 17/07/2025 16:27

Have you had him assessed for a learning disability? My son was like this, diagnosed with a moderate learning disability.
we did the whole word learning approach in the end, he now reads at 16+ level and is only 14. Phonics just doesnt work for some kids x

Sugargliderwombat · 17/07/2025 16:19

Oh also, alphablocks.

Sugargliderwombat · 17/07/2025 16:19

There are lots of oral blending games on busy things, teach your monster to read, topmarks and ict games. Also YouTube has a blending machine video and a blending song.

Although if he has speech issues it really is probably the cause of it, how can you blend the sounds if you're struggling to say them altogether anyway?

I'm surprised they didn't prep you that he would be this low. I hope they realised before!

cantkeepawayforever · 17/07/2025 16:12

Tbh it sounds as if he might struggle with whole word methods as well, given that the OP says difficulties extend to Maths etc as well.

Really important IP works with the school to get him comprehensively assessed via an EHCNA.

MrsLeonFarrell · 17/07/2025 16:02

One of my offspring couldn't get phonics at all for reading. He struggled until I taught him using look and say, as I was taught, and he learnt amazingly quickly and was quickly a competent reader. Phonics is great if it works for the child and they are ready for it but it is not the only way as children are not one size fits all. Some children learn to read at 3, some not until much later, try not to worry he will get there.

The school on the other hand sound fairly useless. You know your child best, maybe try a few different reading books to see if one clicks, as they aren't really offering any support. .

lollilou2 · 17/07/2025 15:56

mrsconradfisher · 17/07/2025 15:51

You are right to be concerned. To get 0 on the phonics screening at this point in Y1 shows he cannot blend at all. I work in Y1, to put it into context even my very high needs SEN group including children who have just arrived in the U.K. scored 2/3.
Im not saying this to worry you but he needs some phonic support. My first suggestion would be to find out which phonics scheme they use. We use Little Wandle which promotes super supported blending initially, so you basically blend it for them and see if they can hear it. They gradually reduce the amount of support they give.
Start with the sounds SATPIN and make words with them and help him to blend them together. You’ll ideally need some cards to do this with. Then ask him to make the word PIN, SIT etc as well.
Please please don’t get Ladybird books or teach him to sight read, genuinely if he cannot retain the sounds from the start to the end of a CVC word ( like SAT) then he won’t be able to retain enough words to sight read.
I literally spend all day every day doing this, so please ask if I can help in anyway.

They use ‘read, write, inc.’. He does struggle in maths, all areas really, but not as much as this.

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