To think my neighbour is being a CF? Garden fence related.

I think you had exactly the right conversation with your NDN. If it’s his fence he should pay, if it’s a joint fence he should have discussed this with you and agreed a way forward. He can’t just decide to replace it and hand you a bill.

Well I would be petty and say if I’m paying half I want half of the nice panels facing my side and he can have half facing his side 😂

or is he expecting you to pay half and have the crap side of the fences

I put fencing all around both sides of my garden years ago I don’t expect my neighbours on either side to maintain it
luckily one neighbour has built a wall inside my fence and on the other side they are fine with it staying as it is

You’re correct: (1) you need proof that the fence is shared, and (2) if shared you have to agree that the work end doing and presumably you can a.so get your own quotes.

Having said all that, this can be a totally pleasant process, just explain that this wasn’t the arrangement with the previous neighbours, no need to go pistols at dawn over it.

How many panels, posts and gravel boards out of interest, just seeing if the quote is a rip off. Not rtfl but I think check your property sale questions to vendor re boundary responsibilities and title deeds are £7 to down load.

I haven’t read all the posts yet but from your own initial posting I thing you have handled it pretty much perfectly.
Get all the info you need, have a think and then respond. Don’t worry about getting off on the wrong foot, you are merely responding and I have a feeling that if you don’t put a marker down (I don’t mean the fence!), I think you might have to endure many years of bullying behaviour. Good luck.

Ask your other neighbours, see if there’s a pattern.

Keep your dog on your side of the fence was the only important bit

The title plan and title register are effectively the online title deeds for registered land. Just a different name.

If you want to have a good relationship with your neighbour then you shouldn't let them bully you. I think you've done the right thing. If he wants you to contribute to the cost then you also contribute to all aspects of the decision making. Although in your case it does sound like it's actually his responsibility to maintain the fence so he's gone ahead on that basis, fully expecting to pay and at the eleventh hour had an idea to try to get some money out of you.

In cases like this I often wonder if he'd behave the same way if he was dealing with a man rather than a woman.

Absolutely this.
He's a CF.
No way I would be paying half a bill presented to me the night before work begins.
He thinks you are a mug.
For 12 years you were told by the previous owners it was theirs alone to maintain.
That is what I would be telling him and he would have to prove otherwise to me.

Agree.

This is not on. I might have assumed responsibility 15 years ago in my new house by replacing the fence

15 years later neighbour told me he was thinking of replacing 15 panels and 10 new posts the following year. I told her I would pay half

we agreed on design, importantly no bad side gong on my side and we did it this year. Told only to pay a third in the end

do not pay him a penny

Do you have the forms from when you moved in to your house as often there is a question about fences that the vendor answers @MavisTheMonkey

Conveyancer here. Boundary ownership is not usually defined in the Title Register or Title Plan (it can be, but it is unusual). It is usually defined in the Transfer and/or Transfer plan. When you downloaded the Title Register you will see that there are document/s referred to as ‘Copy Filed’ - this is the document/s you need to look at.

Secondly, when your neighbours sold, one of the questions on the Property Information Form asks which boundaries the sellers have maintained during their ownership (and thus assumed responsibility). If, as you say, your previous neighbours did indeed assume ownership they would have completed the form to show this and your neighbour would have had a copy.

Having a shared boundary does not mean that it's a shared responsibility to pay for fencing - for example, you could decide that you aren't bothered about having a fence between properties if you wished.
We live in an old terrace and it states all the walls/fencing etc is shared - but that the previous owners of our house opted to put in the fence which is on our right hand side, and in doing so, that means the owners of this house are responsible for the upkeep.

If he has unilaterally decided to book someone to replace the fence with no consultation, then he can unilaterally pay for it.

If he wanted a shared payment, then it should be a shared choice over the costs.

Fuck paying him a penny.

Shared or not, if he is changing the fences and wants payment, he should have consulted you earlier.

On him if he cancels installation, but in your shoes, I wouldnt pay a fucking penny.

Fuck him.

I phoned someone or other (years ago so can't remember who - maybe the council? Maybe Land Registry) about a similar issue and the lady I spoke to said that in cases where it's unclear who owns the fence, "it is expected that neighbours mutually agree as to its upkeep/replacement."
That's all very well until you come across someone who is wholly unreasonable.
She also said that it's a commonly-held myth that a property owns the left-hand boundary but loads of people will tell you that this is true.

Yes it’s really poor behaviour. For one thing he’s just assuming you have access to that kind of money. Our fence is costing about the same as yours. My neighbour fell out with the other neighbour, who paid the entire cost of replacing the fence between them, as she put the “nice side” on her side. She’d paid for it!

Some people, like my neighbour, can get extremely worked up by things like this. I am gritting my teeth until it’s done and then we won’t need to have much contact again (detached house). I think it probably is “his” fence but I’m taking the view that it just makes my life easier to agree to pay half. If I didn’t agree to pay half and started the process I don’t think he would have done so even though he agree it needs to be replaced. When it needs replacing again after this in 10/15 years time I don’t expect to be living here

@MavisTheMonkey land registry is done online. card payment and they email the plans and deeds to you.

We have no Ts on our title plan (which I am thinking is the outline of the property in red) but in the long worded document that is extra and has all the conditions listed like you must allow the water company on your land etc does state that all walls and fences that were built when our estate was new have to be maintained and replaced when necessary. Unusual for both things, one shared and secondly, have to be maintained. I am convinced we paid for this online using a debit/credit card as have lots of other people on MN.

How it works with us, we talk to the neighbours and agree what panels. As sometimes people want specific panels to match in with other ones they have in their garden. Our neighbour has his back garden surrounded by 3 sides of fence panels. We were happy for the replacement fence to match in with their garden, so concrete posts and boards and a particular design of panel. Their panels have no impact on us due to the layout of our property. They arrange for the work as they have pets and like to know when it is all happening. They present the invoice to us and we pay the fencing company half the invoice immediately.

I would at least want a discussion, don't be railroaded into this just because they have arranged it. What have they chosen design wise? Are you happy with that? Have they got a copy of their deeds showing who is responsible? Maybe theirs have Ts on their title plan.

Generally if it isn’t specified on the deeds then it tends to be shared, but lots of other factors can come into play, such as previous custom and practice.

If it is shared then you need to be in joint agreement about any works. I’d be minded to tell h8m to stop the work, and resolve the matter of ownership first before getting a couple of extra quotes and agreeing who gets the nice side.