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What thing would help people's mental health

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PassingStranger · 16/07/2025 16:53

Just wondered, when people say, they didn't get the help they need, or needed for their mental health.
What does this actually mean?

Does it mean, there's a lack of affordable professional help available.
People have to wait too long for help, there's no help???
I'm interested in this, what would help people?
What missing?
What do people need.
I've heard the expression didn't get the help they needed, so what is that?

OP posts:
BabyP1um · 16/07/2025 18:28

In the case of my kids undiagnosed autism and adhd lead to MH struggles that weren’t treated properly/at all which then turned into serious mental illnesses combined with CPTSd from incidents due to the zero / incorrect treatment, support and diagnosis.

Not treating/ diagnosing mental illness does not make it go away , it makes it worse.

CinnamonCinnabar · 16/07/2025 18:28

Ban alcohol advertising and ramp up taxes on alcohol. Improve substance misuse services and target the big drug gangs. A significant percentage of serious mental health problems are caused by or worsened by alcohol and street drugs.

wizzywig · 16/07/2025 18:25

Full sick pay for longer

BungleWasBrill · 16/07/2025 18:24

MiraculousLadybug · 16/07/2025 17:42

Oh and no, no amount of "making changes" or engaging with limp useless halfarsed "support" people who ask "what help do you want" (code for: We don't actually have any help so we'll turn it around and make you play a guessing game as to what we actually offer) will ever fix it when I'm in the depths of psychosis, but still some MH "professionals" believe it's my fault for not doing their shitty breathing exercises or whatever instead of just one of those things where I just need to wait for the meds to work and be looked after and stopped from offing myself in the meantime and once it's sorted I'll be back to business as usual and fully functional. No apparently I didn't do enough breathing or "help myself". 🤣

Edited

So much this!

Fresh-faced people in their first job asking, in a "caring" voice", "Have you heard of mindfulness?" I am experiencing a lot of emotional distress, I have not just landed from Mars.

It's the voice that gets me. As a result of having two inadequate and neglectful parents (who were very charming to folk on the outside, including the medical profession) I have experienced a lot of depression in my life. A lot of sadness and upset. I am not going to crack if someone speaks to me at a normal volume!

AndSoFinally · 16/07/2025 18:24

What is your role? You said you ask patients what they want and don’t like the response when they suggest things but also don’t like the response when they don’t know. The phrase can’t win seems to come to mind.Personally having 3 children let down massively by the NHS causing huge harm I’d say I want professionals who actually know what they’re doing,are properly qualified, informed and experienced,who are informed re ND and don’t rely on patients to do their job for them. All the above seem to be sadly lacking.

Psychiatrist. You'd probably hate me

BabyP1um · 16/07/2025 18:24

R0ckandHardPlace · 16/07/2025 16:55

To be honest a lot of mental health help isn’t really up to much, even when it’s accessible or private.

I think the greatest help would be to examine why there’s a mental health crisis in the first place.

What a ridiculous thing to say. The right mental health does help- massively. And suggesting that everybody with mental health difficulties are the same with the same experiences, struggles, genes, bodies and illnesses is just silly.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 16/07/2025 18:21

I think right now cost of living is having a huge impact.
Sort that and a fair slice of issues would go away.

BlueJuniper94 · 16/07/2025 18:21

R0ckandHardPlace · 16/07/2025 16:55

To be honest a lot of mental health help isn’t really up to much, even when it’s accessible or private.

I think the greatest help would be to examine why there’s a mental health crisis in the first place.

Why do you think there is a mental health crisis?

BabyP1um · 16/07/2025 18:21

TheKeatingFive · 16/07/2025 18:15

Agree with this

Literally none of that is going to cure or make much in road to my kids’ CPTSD, autism, adhd,ocd, EUPD, suicidal idealisation, self harm and Anorexia.

PolyVagalNerve · 16/07/2025 18:19

Some mental health illness requires access to specialist services, medication, hospital
such as schizophrenia, psychosis, Anorexia etc
some MH illness requires specialist therapies such as DBT for personality disorders
Psychodynamic for interpersonal / attachment / adjustment disorders
CBT for mood / anxiety disorders

some people require the basic needs to be addressed as opposed to psychotherapy ;
sleep, diet, exercise, emotion regulation skills

some need grief support

some need social support : housing / financial advise /

some need social connections / a social life / friendships

mental health is a vast ocean and it makes sense to ask the person

what are u struggling with ?

what do you need ??

for those who say I had no support, there is limited resources, but it helps to access the right something if you know what your problem / ask is

and the power of self efficacy-
addressing our own
sleep, diet, activities, exercise.
practising breathing properly when we are in overwhelm,
using emotion regulation skills
Problem solving life stressors
making changes where we can

there is sometimes a disconnect between people’s expectations of wanting to feel better but not doing the things that would facilitate feeling better,

extreme example : drink fizzy drinks / watch screens all day / eat rubbish, don’t exercise / don’t get into nature etc yet expect to be fixed …

people are frustrated with CBT -
but
it’s active, recovery focused and self-
directed or collaborative with a therapist

I’m not talking about serious mental health like schizophrenia,

but many mental health problems can be eased by taking responsibility / action

TheKeatingFive · 16/07/2025 18:15

coxesorangepippin · 16/07/2025 17:52

Fewer screens
More human interaction
Outside more in nature
Real food

Agree with this

ninjahamster · 16/07/2025 18:14

Thought of another thing. When Ive been sectioned which has happened several times, you see a psychiatrist once a week about meds and there is no therapy. It’s just really a holding pen. There should be much more help when in there.

springissprung2025 · 16/07/2025 18:13

Maybe look at people with good mental health and ask why.

BungleWasBrill · 16/07/2025 18:05

AndSoFinally · 16/07/2025 17:20

The NHS is under tremendous pressure so waits are long and not all treatments are available in all areas.

However, people's expectations are often unrealistic. They want things that don't exist (anywhere, not just unavailable on the NHS), or unlicensed treatments they've seen in America on YouTube, or they think they need a treatment that isn't designed for the condition they have because their auntie's neighbour had it and he's much better now.

Often when I ask people what they want/need/expect, they really don't know. They just want "help". They are also unrealistic about what "help" will achieve. Anything with results short of instagram perfection mean they've been failed by the NHS and didn't get the help they needed. They are often unwilling to do anything that requires effort in the pursuit of help, they just want a pill to make everything perfect and don't realise they actually have to make changes if they want things to change

Obviously not all patients, but a frighteningly large proportion!

I'm sure there are people like you describe.

But you seem to have a low view of patients in general.

I have experienced severe depression and chronic anxiety since I was a child. And I don't give a s* about Instagram.
Being told "The NHS is under tremendous pressure" when oine is suicidal is. . . .not helpful.

JoyDivision79 · 16/07/2025 18:04

Avantiagain · 16/07/2025 17:53

My mental health difficulties were due to the constant battles for support for my severely disabled son and by the deliberately aggressive manner of some professionals.

Mother's of children with additional needs are often in permanent fight or flight/ PTSD sufferers literally in their physiology.

bellalou1234 · 16/07/2025 18:02

More support for staff who are working in vastly unfunded services no beds and who are burnt out

BungleWasBrill · 16/07/2025 18:00

VoltaireMittyDream · 16/07/2025 17:14

I have worked in mental health provision in various contexts. Some of the reasons people don't get what they need:

Often the waiting times are too long. 18 months to 2 years in some IAPT services.

Waiting lists for CAMHS are insane - young people frequently age out of eligibility having waited for years without being seen.

Often when people are offered treatment, it's 6 sessions with a trainee therapist - which is nowhere near enough support for someone with complex, longstanding and serious mental health issues.

People have varying needs, and getting help for the particular difficulty (or set of difficulties) you're facing is key.

Someone with a spot of moderate work-related stress might just need some psychoeducation, and practical support such as career guidance, or communication skills training (though often the issue is solved by moving to a job or workplace that's not shit!).

Someone with schizophrenia may need to see a psychiatrist in the context of a multi-professional team.

Someone with complex trauma who is dependent on multiple substances is going to need intensive, ongoing, multi-disciplinary intervention.

Someone with anorexia is going to need specific eating disorder support (and possibly also an autism evaluation).

Someone with dementia needs a different kind of mental health support than someone who doesn't have dementia.

Etc etc.

Part of the trouble is that if there's nobody to correctly assess what the problems are you're dealing with, and consider them within the wider context of your life circumstances and physical health status, you may never be referred to a service that could potentially make a difference.

If you only get 7 minutes with your GP, often over the phone (and it's hard enough even to get a GP appointment at many surgeries), and their first port of call is to put you on SSRIs and stick you on a general counselling waiting list, it might be years (or never) before anyone spots you have dementia, or complex trauma.

Plus, most people aren't going to tell their GP (who they've likely never met before, over the course of a 7 minute phone appointment) they are starving themselves, or addicted to fentanyl, or suffering flashbacks to horrific sexual abuse that they feel ashamed about, or losing their memory, or hearing voices.

It's miraculous, given the system we're working in, that as many people as they do get helpful support. But it's a pretty grim outlook overall.

Edited

Also, the NHS is totally focussed on offering EVERYBODY with mental health issues CBT. And calling it, misleadingly, "Talking Therapy."

The people who designed CBT never made the claim that this approach is suitable for everybody. And it is actually contra-indicated if the patient has experienced significant childhood trauma. (Which so many people have.)

Yet, if someone is depressed and/or anxious for any length of time, this is what is offered. And there's nothing else.

I've lost track of the number of times I have pointed out to a GP or nurse that CBT is not suitable for everybody. They really don't seem to know this. I've got used to vaguely sympathetic shrugs.

But yes, for those for whom it is suitable, I suspect 6 sessions isn't usually enough.

CBT has appealed to successive govts because it is cheap to deliver. Of course it is cheap, they only offer 6 sessions, and often the person "delivering" the therapy is someone not even trained in how to deliver CBT appropriately! It's actually a false economy, because many people who are offered the 6 sessions improve in the short term and then relapse.

bellalou1234 · 16/07/2025 17:58

Early interventions in schools. Better coping strategies more resiliance

XenoBitch · 16/07/2025 17:55

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 16/07/2025 17:49

Cash to do what though? As op said, what’s lacking?

what would a cash injection pay for?

There is not enough MH support on the NHS. Lack of staff for starters. Lack of beds too. Too much in the way of online 6 week CBT that does not work for a lot of people. It is just a sticking plaster... a way to look like something is being done.
Money being put in will mean more beds and more staff. More people will be seen, more people will get the support they need.

SumUp · 16/07/2025 17:54

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 16/07/2025 17:49

Cash to do what though? As op said, what’s lacking?

what would a cash injection pay for?

More mental health in patient beds for a start. Psychotherapy on the NHS for severe and long lasting conditions, where there is evidence that it helps.

But the cynic in me thinks that policy makers view this mostly from an economic standpoint - it is cheaper to leave suicidal people to die than give them an expensive bed and then a recovery programme, which ultimately, may not see them back to work etc.

bestcatlife · 16/07/2025 17:54

We need more social housing so that people aren't having to move every 6 months. A stable home means you can put down roots and build a social network. MH support is also a postcode lottery and it should be universal.
People should be able to support themselves when they fall ill, instead of being immediately plunged into poverty, thanks Labour for the disability benefit cuts, talk about going backwards

Avantiagain · 16/07/2025 17:53

My mental health difficulties were due to the constant battles for support for my severely disabled son and by the deliberately aggressive manner of some professionals.

Devilsmommy · 16/07/2025 17:52

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 16/07/2025 17:49

Cash to do what though? As op said, what’s lacking?

what would a cash injection pay for?

More services that offer counselling and crisis teams who are actually available 24/7. More hospitals for those who are in need of being sectioned because they're a danger to themes/others.

coxesorangepippin · 16/07/2025 17:52

Fewer screens
More human interaction
Outside more in nature
Real food

Jellycatspyjamas · 16/07/2025 17:51

Often when I ask people what they want/need/expect, they really don't know. They just want "help". They are also unrealistic about what "help" will achieve.

Surely you recognise that as part of their overall mental health though? Feeling stuck, not knowing what will help you feel better while also desperately hoping something will make you feel better is very symptomatic of mental illness of all kinds.

Only in mental health is the patient expected to know what kind of treatment they need. We don’t ask someone with a broken leg how they want it fixed.

My expectation is that a suitably qualified therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist has a “tool kit” of knowledge in a range of approaches that can draw on to support treatment. Not a check list of mindfulness, breathing exercises and fresh air - I mean understanding different therapies, knowing the theory behind why it works and drawing on a range of approaches.

Too many therapists have done a relatively short, shallow qualification and just don’t have the breadth of knowledge they need.