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Why is office politics ignored in formal education when it can help shapes careers as powerfully as Porter’s Five Forces ?

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Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 16:39

Basically that really , from school you get taught do your role well , achieve x projects or this that and the other and in theroy rise the ranks but in reality depending on the company it can also depend on who you talk to etc.
also been watching the shows billions and sucession that have also influenced the creation of the thread

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Swirlythingy2025 · 17/07/2025 12:39

SuffolkBargeWoman · 16/07/2025 20:38

I imagine many kids at private schools learn this from their parents and visiting speakers from alumni.

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I think what OP is pointing at is the inherent advantages that privately educated or state educated middle class children have.
They grow up knowing how to network, make small talk, the right table manners, the right hobbies. All the things that are a gateway to success.
OP is right that someone should be filling those gaps for children without those advantages, not sure who though.

well put, basically this is what i was trying to discuss

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spoonbillstretford · 16/07/2025 20:43

I'm a senior director and have never been into office politics. I wouldn't work for a big corporate if you doubled my salary.

Goingawayistricky · 16/07/2025 20:41

Actually @Goldenbear made a better point.

Goingawayistricky · 16/07/2025 20:40

I think it’s pretty common knowledge that being nice to the people that make your job easier being the post room, the cleaner or reception will be helpful.
Plus every job has a person who will happily tell you who you should keep
in with.

Other than that theres so much neuro diversity training now people are aware that the non chatty members of staff are just as valued.

Goldenbear · 16/07/2025 20:39

It seems odd to ask schools to teach office politics they don't really have that kind of work culture so how can they teach it? Teachers are teaching specific subjects on their own, in a classroom with some TAs perhaps, how does that emulate office life, where office politics is more an organic thing derived from the working dynamic of people who are adults in an office job,? Isn't school about receiving an education, delivered by people who can teach a specific subject? Equally, office politics is mostly relevant to offices, what about getting on in other jobs?

SuffolkBargeWoman · 16/07/2025 20:38

I imagine many kids at private schools learn this from their parents and visiting speakers from alumni.

This
I think what OP is pointing at is the inherent advantages that privately educated or state educated middle class children have.
They grow up knowing how to network, make small talk, the right table manners, the right hobbies. All the things that are a gateway to success.
OP is right that someone should be filling those gaps for children without those advantages, not sure who though.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 16/07/2025 20:33

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:44

not the office politics as such, when i did my business degree they never said about the fellow collegues etc and how important it is to network with them

Well if you managed to get to university, then your lecturers would assume you knew that - it’s a very basic life skill.

But anyway, it can be covered in a couple of sentences.

Being really good at it is harder, and yes a more privileged upbringing helps you pick up
those skills, but I really don’t think teachers have time to teach them.

IanStirlingrocks · 16/07/2025 20:28

Another flaming thing that schools “should” be teaching!!
how many hours a day do you think they’re there for?
and why do parents not seem to have any responsibility to, you know, chat to their kids about the way the world works!!

Smike · 16/07/2025 20:27

Fragmentedbrain · 16/07/2025 17:47

The old ways are dead. You might as well have ability with the loom.

😀

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 16/07/2025 20:24

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:45

none, they could add it as an essay question or research project etc

It’s not as easy as that. All assessments have to link explicitly to course and module learning outcomes.
A student might choose to do this as a dissertation topic but that would be individual choice.

It relates more to careers and employability and would be covered by that team rather than a formal assessment but I’m not sure it is covered quite in the way you are suggesting.

Simonjt · 16/07/2025 18:38

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:45

none, they could add it as an essay question or research project etc

So you don’t understand how time works?

LuckyNumberFive · 16/07/2025 18:36

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:44

not the office politics as such, when i did my business degree they never said about the fellow collegues etc and how important it is to network with them

Seems like common sense!

LlynTegid · 16/07/2025 18:03

Social skills face to face are something that many may lack. Examples often on MN threads where people won't just talk to someone.

Dontlletmedownbruce · 16/07/2025 17:57

Office politics depends entirely on the individuals present, their values preferences and the general culture of the industry. It can't be taught and if it were it would be immediately out of date..

Social skills are the most important skill set in life, a person with strong skills will be able to recognise what is politics, and what is merit based. They may not rise to the top for reasons beyond their control but they will have the confidence to move elsewhere or retrain or whatever is necessary for their happiness.

EdisinBurgh · 16/07/2025 17:51

Fragmentedbrain · 16/07/2025 17:47

The old ways are dead. You might as well have ability with the loom.

Disagree. But people who are friendly, positive and who encourage others in the workplace are probably going to be liked by bossies and thus more likely to be promoted than someone who is unfriendly and negative and doesn’t engage with their colleagues. Not rocket science. Unless the work is literally rocket science in which case friendliness probably is less of a factor.

EdisinBurgh · 16/07/2025 17:48

It is good to know this, but I think the information can be conveyed by watching a relevant movie or TV show. It doesn’t need to be a taught class. And then learned by bitter experience !

Children should learn through secondary school and before university the value of networking later in life, although they shouldn’t need to consciously do it until they’re in a first job. I imagine many kids at private schools learn this from their parents and visiting speakers from alumni.

Recommendations for movies and TV that might show this in practice are welcome! Succession is less relatable 😉

Helpmeplease2025 · 16/07/2025 17:48

If you can’t work out office politics by yourself, you’re not going to manage in an office.

Fragmentedbrain · 16/07/2025 17:47

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:46

and i can respect that,but then it also can limit a persons ability on the corporate roles etc especially if eg two people both good at the roles and one joins in the office activities etc then the one joing in more can increase the chances of the promotion etc

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The old ways are dead. You might as well have ability with the loom.

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:46

Fragmentedbrain · 16/07/2025 16:55

Office politics is going to be fundamentally different for the gen z and below generation. They don't want chitchat and they don't want to hang around the office unnecessarily. Loads of people out and proud as neurodivergent or anxious. It's a great time to be a paddler of one's own canoe.

and i can respect that,but then it also can limit a persons ability on the corporate roles etc especially if eg two people both good at the roles and one joins in the office activities etc then the one joing in more can increase the chances of the promotion etc

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Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:45

lnks · 16/07/2025 17:00

Which subject do you think should be dropped so that teachers can find the time to do this?

none, they could add it as an essay question or research project etc

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Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 17:44

LuckyNumberFive · 16/07/2025 17:10

Surely this is already explained in most business studies courses. Internal and external stakeholder management.

not the office politics as such, when i did my business degree they never said about the fellow collegues etc and how important it is to network with them

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LuckyNumberFive · 16/07/2025 17:10

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 16:44

just that in a company doing your role can only get you so far, sometimes its also who you chat to and build the connections with while doing your role. that also counts and not just networking when tring to achive x role

Surely this is already explained in most business studies courses. Internal and external stakeholder management.

lnks · 16/07/2025 17:00

Which subject do you think should be dropped so that teachers can find the time to do this?

Fragmentedbrain · 16/07/2025 16:55

Office politics is going to be fundamentally different for the gen z and below generation. They don't want chitchat and they don't want to hang around the office unnecessarily. Loads of people out and proud as neurodivergent or anxious. It's a great time to be a paddler of one's own canoe.

GasPanic · 16/07/2025 16:55

Swirlythingy2025 · 16/07/2025 16:44

just that in a company doing your role can only get you so far, sometimes its also who you chat to and build the connections with while doing your role. that also counts and not just networking when tring to achive x role

So you've told someone that in 10 seconds.

What's the rest of the syllabus ?