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What should be the ideal requirements for British citizenship?

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AnxiousApocalypse · 16/07/2025 04:43

In an ideal world, what would be required for someone to be deemed worthy of British citizenship? Of course, fluency in English. Should all foreigners who put themselves forward for military service be allowed a path to just residency or is that too much? Kemi Badenoch wants all immigrants who have claimed benefits and/or social housing to be ineligible for British citizenship. Should the government implement a policy that requires immigrants seeking British citizenship to prove their past and potential contribution to the state. How can this be done? I thought a criminal record disqualified people from gaining a visa to the UK, but I read that some of the Afghan people secretly resettled due to the data leak have criminal records.

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TankFlyBossW4lk · 16/07/2025 18:16

RayonSunrise · 16/07/2025 07:35

• Understanding how rounds work
Having strong opinions on whether the milk goes in first or after
• Feeling slightly faint at the prospect of queue jumping
• Knowing that the best way to open a conversation with a stranger is to say, “Oooh, it’s quite hot/cold/wet today, isn’t it?”

I mean I can't argue with this. It should be on the school curriculum too. With a GCSE or something. You could even finesse the scoring system to see if the candidate could start a conversation with a weather based opening and finish with an exchange of opinions on milk first or last.

AnotherGreyMorning · 16/07/2025 09:09

Ferro · 16/07/2025 07:38

— Competence to B1 level in Morris dancing
— Be able to summarise the plots of all the Paddington books
— Pass a proficiency test in eating jellied eels
— Be able to identify photos of Terry Wogan, Jarvis Cocker, Sooty and Sweep, Lloyd George, and Shakin' Stevens
— Find Doncaster on a map

Oh god. Jellied eels. I'd fail.

So many British people haven't got mastery over their own language. It's embarrassing.

GoodLaudanum · 16/07/2025 09:02

To be tolerant and accepting of all other religions, cultures, races and nationalities - especially the culture of the country they are joining - British culture.
To not take offence, and actually be totally accepting, if other people don't adhere to their strict 'codes' of behaviour.
ie. women in England wear bikinis and are independent and can go wherever they like, whenever they like, with whoever they like. To not allow a woman to do this in England would be classed as abusive.

User37482 · 16/07/2025 08:55

ExtraOnions · 16/07/2025 08:38

“Lack of criminal record” .. what is that criminal record was imposed by a corrupt regime, for protesting about sometime like, Basic Human Rights?

I think criminal record in the UK is what people are generally talking about. I think most immigration panels can understand the foreign criminal record thing around protesting.

The thing is though the Manchester bomber, their dad was a Libiyan exile for protesting against the Libiyan government. He was also an islamist, someone who should never ever have been given asylum. Yet the UK has in the past given anti-regime people asylum without worrying whether they are protesting for democracy or something else.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 16/07/2025 08:43

You’re too quick for me, @red!

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 16/07/2025 08:43

randomchap · 16/07/2025 07:08

Even the men?

Especially the men!

RedToothBrush · 16/07/2025 08:40

randomchap · 16/07/2025 07:08

Even the men?

Especially the men!

Of course. Naturally.

ExtraOnions · 16/07/2025 08:38

“Lack of criminal record” .. what is that criminal record was imposed by a corrupt regime, for protesting about sometime like, Basic Human Rights?

657904I · 16/07/2025 08:32

Honestly? I feel like only skilled/educated workers should be able to be given citizenship. Pinpoint what skills are in high demand, and work backwards from there. If someone doesn’t have viable prospects of employment, don’t give citizenship.

Lack of Criminal record is key but immigrants can change their name/date of birth/country of origin so it’s somewhat hard to always gather proof of that/cross-country intelligence. I believe staff at the DWP & Home office who make decisions on eg entitlement to benefits, having the right to remain etc are junior staff that practically earn minimum wage. Immigrants don’t necessarily get robust background checks from senior investigators by default.

I worked with immigrants and many would refuse to learn English/work/engage with courses. They honestly can’t do much when they can’t speak the language, it’s a dire situation as it can lead to them being in vulnerable situations. They tend to engage with people who speak the same language as them who may not have their best interests at heart & they are vulnerable to being taken advantage of.

FirstNationsEnglish · 16/07/2025 08:17

I agree with @orwellwasright2025 that the Australian pledge is better, and an understanding of what they are promising should be demonstrated before making the pledge, via prior 'examination' either through a conversation, or a written test: "From this time forward, I pledge my loyalty to Australia the United Kingdom and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey."

Anyone who has risked their lives by supporting our Forces overseas should be allowed automatic citizenship.

Apart from the regular things like proving a level of English language and a previous 'good character' ...

-Like Australia, economic migrants should prove and demonstrate economic autonomy - by combination of significant savings and/or a job paying at least, say, 28k a year.
-ALL should agree to have their DNA and fingerprints held on record.
-ALL should sign to agree that if they renege of their pledge, within 10 years of settling, they understand and agree that citizenship will be removed; any British passport removed; they will be repatriated - and their families will be give the choice of joining them in repatriation.
-Economic migrants should have self-funding private healthcare insurance, including for GPs, for a minimum of 5 years before 'joining' NHS.
-Nobody should be allowed to vote until after a minimum of 5 years citizenship.

Passwordsaremynemesis · 16/07/2025 08:16

randomchap · 16/07/2025 07:51

Jam on one half of the scone and then cream on the other. Guaranteed to annoy both Devonians and Cornish

You sick bastard.😂

mildlydispeptic · 16/07/2025 08:16

@AnxiousApocalypseyou’re quite the busy bee on mumsnet today, aren’t you? Seems like we’re having an immigration themed day.

Yellowbirdcage · 16/07/2025 08:14

It’s fine already. Maybe extend the length of residency.
Wouldn’t want to be like other countries such as UAE where you can live and work there for 60 years and still get kicked out when no longer working.
Its not the citizenship people are upset about as much as the lack of ‘loyalty’ to their chosen country but would hate to see US style nationalism in this country.

Xyloplane · 16/07/2025 08:07

randomchap · 16/07/2025 07:51

Jam on one half of the scone and then cream on the other. Guaranteed to annoy both Devonians and Cornish

That’s what I do and it works perfectly!

Xyloplane · 16/07/2025 08:07

Skethylita · 16/07/2025 06:27

So anyone who ever had to have in-work benefits (because some wages are too low to live on) or (let's face it, mostly women) who was entitled to child benefit, often through having a child with a Brit, would be ineligible for citizenship? What a kick in the face that would be for the many, many good people who contribute more to society than money can express.

I became a citizen just after Brexit, mainly because I knew that my rights as an immigrant would keep being attacked and slowly taken away.

To meet the requirements, I had to prove I spoke fluent English either via an expensive test or by showing I had gained a degree at a British university. I did the latter. While at university, some of my lecturers pointed out that my grasp of the English language was better than that of many natives they taught.

I also had to track down and prove all of my addresses since I turned 18, which is a fun task when you've rented most of your life and therefore had to move frequently. Of course, no criminal conviction was allowed and I had to travel across the country to get my fingerprints taken and permanently stored on a national database.

Then there was the infamous citizenship test, which many people born and raised here would fail. Yes, there are some important questions about the political system and key historic events, but also questions on who designed some famous buildings, or who won a gold medal in a specific sport.

There is a time delay - you have to hold ILR for a year before you can apply, and you only gain that if you already satisfy most of the above.

Oh, and you need to scrape together around £2000. It's £300 to replace a damaged or lost certificate.

UK citizenship is already extremely hard to get.

I have lived here all my adult life, always been working in a job that society needs (and is desperate to recruit for) but which doesn't pay enough in the early stages to survive on without benefits. I've also had the poor luck of meeting and having children with two British men who didn't uphold British values themselves, and I ended up getting help with childcare money from the state when I became a single mum.

We're so desperate for healthcare professionals, IT professionals, teachers, care workers and so many other people, but the country seems hell-bent on being hostile to those who choose to live their lives here and contribute to a society that they weren't born in. It's saddening.

Oh yeah, so fight in our wars and pay for our benefits system through your taxes but no citizenship for you! It’s absolutely disgusting.

I think anybody whose homeland has been adversely affected by policy decisions or war perpetrated or supported by the UK through arms deals has a right to become a British citizen. Maybe that approach would lead to the UK and other such countries thinking twice before bombing the hell out of so many countries across the world?

User37482 · 16/07/2025 08:03

I think the recourse to public funds thing has to be carefully considered, if you are claiming UC whilst working a low paid job full time then you are contributing. I think full time work rather than earnings is a reasonable thing.

No criminal record.

I don’t know how you would measure integration tbh which is what people are probably worried about and tbh rightly so. There are cultural mores which are frankly negative, FGM, forced marriage, honour violence, clan based loyalties. I’m an ethnic minority myself, happily these things are not an issue in my family. But what often happens is migration from rural areas can often shore up and reinforce very traditional values which are at odds with the overall view on things like the rights of women. Pretending it’s not an issue to be anti-racist is not helpful.

I’ve been listening to a few podcasts on honour killings and it’s depressed the shit out of me.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/31/honour-based-offences-soared-by-81-in-last-five-years

I actually think we should have a higher bar for issuing any kind of visas to nationalities who are overrepresented in criminal convictions.

‘Honour-based’ offences soared by 81% in last five years

Lawyer calls for improved education on issue and says figures are likely to show ‘tip of the iceberg’

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/oct/31/honour-based-offences-soared-by-81-in-last-five-years

mustytrusty · 16/07/2025 07:52

Mumsnet has turned into a really nasty place recently.

randomchap · 16/07/2025 07:51

ShrankLastWinter · 16/07/2025 07:48

Is this one of those ‘jam or cream first’ threads?

Jam on one half of the scone and then cream on the other. Guaranteed to annoy both Devonians and Cornish

ShrankLastWinter · 16/07/2025 07:48

Is this one of those ‘jam or cream first’ threads?

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 16/07/2025 07:45

I feel it should be the same as Britain imposed on other countries, so I guess none. Remember, they were the original boat people.

ExtraOnions · 16/07/2025 07:44

Own a Bulldog
House decorated with pictures of Churchill
Obsessed with a version of the past that never existed
Annoyed we no longer have an Empire
Claim to support “Western Values” whilst demonstrably not supporting Tolerance or freedom of expression
Get angry Christianity is sidelined, despite never having been to Church, or picked up a Bible
Both admire, and despise the NHS

sashh · 16/07/2025 07:41

Fluent in any of the 'official' languages in the UK, for most that is English but also Welsh, Scots Gaelic, Irish, British Sign Language.

There are towns in Argentina that speak Welsh and if you are immigrating to a Welsh speaking part of Wales you can get along without English.

Ferro · 16/07/2025 07:38

— Competence to B1 level in Morris dancing
— Be able to summarise the plots of all the Paddington books
— Pass a proficiency test in eating jellied eels
— Be able to identify photos of Terry Wogan, Jarvis Cocker, Sooty and Sweep, Lloyd George, and Shakin' Stevens
— Find Doncaster on a map

RayonSunrise · 16/07/2025 07:35

• Understanding how rounds work
Having strong opinions on whether the milk goes in first or after
• Feeling slightly faint at the prospect of queue jumping
• Knowing that the best way to open a conversation with a stranger is to say, “Oooh, it’s quite hot/cold/wet today, isn’t it?”

TankFlyBossW4lk · 16/07/2025 07:22

I really struggle with this. I work with several people who are literally saving people lives every day. They are highly skilled, incredibly bright and have given so much to our society. Many of them are from immigrant stock. Their parents in some cases didn't speak English, claimed benefits etc etc.

I think the racists are alive and well on Mumsnet.