To say I am surprised that Russia is in the no 2 spot. And Japan is so high.

Blimey do people really take articles like this at face value? People need to give click bait like that article a little more thought.

The article gets its info from Wikipedia and a research paper. The research paper seems very limited with much of its data dated and little to no acknowledgement of the limitations of their study. If you are looking for statistics to gauge how dangerous a country is you would be better off looking at murder rates rather than serial killer rates. Places like Jamaica, Haiti and Mexico have ridiculously high rates of murder and that’s just the ones reported and logged. Many other countries simply won’t log them. If you think of the amount of time and resources needed to catch a serial killer then it’s obviously only going to be the more affluent and better policed ones that succeed.

Anyway, have fun agreeing with one another how great life is

Yes, we're all busy agreeing on how wonderful life is... in a thread about world-wide preponderance of serial-killers... which has somehow been derailed by someone claiming Russia is a paragon of honesty, fairness, and integrity...

Glad you're away though, because maybe then we can get back to the original discussion without being subjected to your deranged nonsense.

I’d have expected Mexico to be a lot higher

I'm not saying life is great I'm just saying that saying the UK has a particular corruption issue is wrong.

I'm not British by the way which might be why I don't have a weird hysteria about criticising (not "spitting on") other countries.

Yeah, let's look around us at this wonderful state of affairs here, this world-beating rule of law BoJo made so much of. It is paradise, truly, and our money is so well managed and the rich aren't lining their pockets through lucrative government contracts and concessions. Tower blocks full of people die and those responsible don't get off scot free. That would be corrupt like that there bogeyman on the other side of Europe, and of course there's spits Africa.

Motes and beams, to borrow a metaphor (except that the Christians of Russia and Africa would probably understand the reference without recourse to google).

Anyway, have fun agreeing with one another how great life is. I'm off to work to pay more tax which will 100% not be misappropriated.

I think we can safely say that Canada has a significantly higher number of active and unapprehended serial killers: there remain several thousand MMIW (missing and murdered Indigenous women), many of them sex workers and with itinerant lifestyles, whose killers have never been identified, many of whom are widely considered to be most likely the victims of serial predators.

It's more the fact the entire Russian state apparatus is entirely corrupt and run wholly for the benefit of Putin-aligned oligarchs and mobsters.

Then there's the drill-down stuff, like newly pressganged recruits being sent to Ukraine in worn-out tennis shoes because someone higher up the military chain of command has pocketed the entire budget for equipment.

It's one of the most endemically corrupt countries on the planet, even by comparison with tinpot African and CA states.

It makes zero sense. This must be a joke. Britain has very strict anti bribery laws. Suggest you do some business (as I have) in Africa and Central America and then come back to us on the UK being a hotbed of corruption.

Sorry just editing to say I'm agreeing with the post I quoted!

Espousing the virtues of Russian society while decrying the UK for having a "passive approach to corruption" is pretty hilarious, yes.

Yeah. It's a hilarious subject.

I'm an outsider with only intermediate Japanese, but it seemed to me Japanese people are also deeply shocked by crimes in a way people here no longer seem to be. I happened to be there when very unpleasant story broke about a rapist. There was a profound shock and disgust and open desire for his death.

I am ashamed of the passive approach to corruption here

Now I know you are just "at it". Thanks for the hearty laugh though 😆

It's a flawed country, like this one. The difference is that there the people I met admitted it.

I am ashamed of the passive approach to corruption here, the indifference to human life. When ordinary people don't even care that no one is held accountable for things like Grenfell. Which is why it will happen again and again.

Have to say I’m surprised the UK appears so high in the list. I imagine this is very much around the definition of a serial killer and policing in individual countries.

Start by looking at those who did not enforce the codes and allowed the poorest and most vulnerable, many of them immigrants and many children, to die. Those who wrote the codes if the codes allowed for unsafe buildings. Those who managed the building. Those who approved the attachment of dangerous flammable cladding and those who installed it

Did the wonderful Russian legal system manage to wade through all of this in the sub-24hours between the aforementioned cinema fire, and the subsequent arrests?

Wow, impressive stuff.

Or where countries don't properly investigate

Those responsible. All of them. Start by looking at those who did not enforce the codes and allowed the poorest and most vulnerable, many of them immigrants and many children, to die. Those who wrote the codes if the codes allowed for unsafe buildings. Those who managed the building. Those who approved the attachment of dangerous flammable cladding and those who installed it.

There's gotta be at least one person in there who is responsible for a fire that actually KILLED immigrants, which should be treated more seriously than a hastily-deleted tweet viwed by a handful of people posted by a badly-advised young mother, you'd think? In our spectacular world-beating legal system?

I'm standing in a hospital in Tooting right now, resolutely unstabbed.

Don't know which young mother youre referring to, but if she's one whose tweets encouraged people to burn children alive, I'm happy for her to do some time inside.

In Russia you can be imprisoned for singing a punk song in a church

Yes, because Russia, and formerly the Soviet Union, have a long and storied history of instantly arresting anyone they can get their hands on in the aftermath of any sort of dissatisfactory event. Guilt and complicity not necessarily being relevant or required.

Who would you like to see arrested over Grenfell precisely?

Who got locked up for the Grenfell disaster in our wonderful system?

In Russia there was a fatal cinema fire and arrests were made the following day

Not quite.

We lock people up who commit, and later admit to, the criminal offence of Inciting Racial Hatred. That's because we have a reasonably robust and fair judicial system, unlike... Russia, for example.

UK is not at all high on the list of countries by homicide rate - do you really think you're less likely to be murdered in Russia?

Edited to add the actual numbers - homicide rate in Russia is 6.8 per 100k and UK is 1.1 per 100k.

Yeah, in London we don't have to worry about that because we likely got stabbed on the way to work.

We lock up young mothers for tweets here but go off about tyranny in other safer countries

Also spent time in Russia, not in Moscow.

Sitting a train rumbling slowly through endless forest for hours... No security guards out there...

Its amazing how so many people tell us they feel safe in places like Russia. Lots of people felt very safe in East Germany too. Absolute tyranny often produces safe streets, as long as you keep your mouth shut.

At least in London we dont seem to have a perpetual problem of government critics and independent journalists falling out of windows.

Cue lots of anti-Russian half-wittery.

I used to spend quite a bit of time in both Moscow and Tokyo for work. Clean streets, guards everywhere in the transport system, well-policed, felt totally safe as a young woman.

Can definitely not say the same for the UK town I am now living in.