4 yrs for cutting down tree, no jail time for rape

I wouldn't, truly.

Sorry, the document isn't very long so I don't see the need for a precis but it shows the Judge followed the correct process and how she arrived at the sentences.
Your comment about rapists and murderers is not relevant to this sentencing.
You could search for sentencing remarks for this or other Judges' sentencing remarks for rapists and/or murderers to see the process and rationale for them.

Why? Do you think they are a danger to the public and may have turned up in your garden to chop trees down

The should've just burgled someone or assaulted someone, they'd have been fine.

Can you do it in a nutshell? Were they actually murders and rapists aswell?

I’m sure a lot of posters whose minds are already entrenched won’t bother but if others are interested I’ll give a link to the Judge’s sentencing remarks.
Link to Sentencing Remarks

It can be seen, previous record and mental health issues are taken into account

Is this information really available to the general public?
I know one of them had a serious conviction in the past.

I just heard what was reported, one of them had a very troubled life the other not so much. Court transcrips tend to be rather longwinded, bit like the sentencing itself. I wonder why no one shouts get to the point at the judge?

It was a tree. Community hours gardening would've been more apt.

Same. Utter scum. They should have got longer.

I thought the same but then, I think the issue is that rape is de facto legal in the UK. If convicted, there are custodial sentences but with the conviction rates we have, rarely anybody is ever found guilty. Men can go and rape women in this country knowing that they almost certainly will get away with it

Indeed.

God, our nearest neighbours lopped down a tree that was lovely I had no idea I should've called the cops.

Everyone one really should read up on the sentencing and transcripts

and as I said look at Mrs Justice Lambert the judge who did it

Exactiy! It was a tree fgs. Yes vandalism is bad but perspective is needed.

It is absolutely crazy to give a custodial sentence for cutting down a tree.

A fine, community hours great.

Wtf is wrong with our judiciary system when violent criminals get less.

I was gobsmacked too - I think it’s far too lenient.

I was absolutely gob smacked when I heard this. I appreciate that you can't just go around felling trees because you feel like it,but 4 years does seem a tad excessive, considering rapists get off much more lightly. I think community service would have been more appropriate.

Exactly they are under very different bits of legislation.

Mrs Justice Lambert is looking to be the judge for the Andrew Tate civil case and looking at her past history (Libby Squires - 27 years for her murder /Marcus Osbourne whole life sentence for murder and crucially 10 years for rape and 10 years for false imprisonment)

so yes her sentence here is commensurate with her sentences for rape and murder (and now and really pleased she is the civil judge for Andrew Tate)

the problem is we don’t have more judges like her (and not enough women!)

But we don't value criminal damage to a tree more than damage to a human being. Every case is individual.

Jail terms for rape should be longer and far more common. Violence against women is not taken seriously.

It is right they were jailed for chopping down the tree though. There's too many yobs out there who don't give a care for our environment.

The thing is, they are two different crimes.

We need sentencing for rape to be harsher. Not for petty crimes like this to go unpunished.

Yes and some rapists get away Scot free due to level of convictions made. Doesn’t say much about society that we value a tree being damaged more than another human being damaged for the rest of their life!

Your comment doesn’t even make sense

It was part of a UNESCO World Heritage site. That’s considered pretty special.

So you can fined for cutting down a forest in Wales but jail time for a tree in England. Not just any tree…..it’s a special tree”!

absolutely fucking ridiculous - two tier justice

Just a lot of old stones, some on this thread are no doubt thinking.

The argument seems to go that since there are injustices against human beings, it is unseemly to care about destruction and vandalism. Given the former are never going away, we may as well stop caring about anything. Fancy scratching your name on the colosseum or defacing an artwork? Go for it!

And a fairly high profile female judge @LostFuse who led the inquiry into Jimmy Saville, murder of Star Hobson and the Hillsborough Inquest