Page 2 | Constance Marten case — I feel the police have some responsibility too

Siff · 2025-07-15T08:46:58+00:00

I know Constance Marten and her partner made dangerous and illegal choices, and I’m not excusing that — a baby died and that’s heartbreaking. But I can’t stop thinking about the way the case was handled and whether the police have some responsibility in how things unfolded. As a mum of four who’s struggled mentally after birth, I keep thinking: if I had just given birth, was vulnerable, and felt like the whole world was hunting me down — would I have thought clearly? Probably not. The media coverage was intense, and the police were everywhere. The pressure must have been overwhelming. I honestly believe the fear created by the police operation pushed them into making more and more desperate and risky decisions to stay hidden. It wasn’t just a search — it felt like a witch hunt. No safeguarding, no attempt to reach her as a vulnerable mother, just a hard push to capture and punish. I think that approach had consequences. The police ^must^ take some responsibility for creating the kind of fear and pressure that led to this tragedy. The way they went about it likely made things worse — not better — for the baby. It’s easy to say she was selfish or unstable, but mental health in the postnatal period is fragile. People don’t always think rationally when terrified. I just wish there had been more humanity in how it was all handled. Anyone else feel the same?

Chamille · 16/09/2025 00:08

dont worry, some people are illiterate nowadays, dumbed down by staring at phone screens all day..

Chamille · 15/09/2025 23:53

completely agree with you. its not black and white, nothing is. the parents were demonised and hunted. It endangered the life of the baby, completlely the opposite of what they said they were trying to do. and alerting the whole nation about evil mother and dad on the run" cornered the unstable parents even further, compromising the survival of the infant. Depressing

Chamille · 15/09/2025 23:46

yes i agree to your comment, I read about this too.

Bbq1 · 15/09/2025 23:36

Only 14 years each is disgusting and an insult to their murdered baby. Lock them both up for life and throw away the keys. They should never be freed to procreate again.

Chamille · 15/09/2025 23:35

anytipswelcome,
yes i saw the pics and footage like you, it was quite blurred and the baby was not really so visible. If you were there and saw that the baby had just a babygro you should have said something. I witnessed this a few times in UK and one of the parents response was> "it builds their immune system" which of course i did not agree with. I am not taking sides with the parents, which everyone here seems to have concluded. (I mentioned ealier on that I have been a whistleblower when i witnessed child abuse in my past job, so yes the life of a child matters to me). Also, i just emitted the thought that maybe the mum was just been in an unfortunate situation, caught between her partner and her family. A post partum mum in my experience, is very vulnerable and can have a fragile mental health. Imagine the same mum having to be on the run.. right? She is not crocodile dundee, just a desperate human being clinging to her baby and trying to survive while being chased. it horrifies me really the thought of this.
I just answered the posts question> "a witch hunt" and yes i agree that the Police and authorities conducted a witchhunt relentlellesly, deploying huge numbers of offficers(payed with our taxes btw) which led to the parents going on a run with baby.
which led to disastrous results for the baby. If those parents did not love their baby why then did they not leave him behind to someone or a friend? because somehow the mum (at least possibly not the dad) loved her baby and didnt want to be separated from her. Which led to a panicked survival displacement(exode) and that didnt help the babys survival.
It was handed wrong that is my opinion, responding to the post's question.
Also, adressed to all agressive responses here(not yours which is respectfull and intelligent) if we all had the same opinion and thoughts and points of view, life would be very boring indeed and posts like this one would not exist. Think about this, next time you guys berate someone from voicing their opinion. We are lucky enough to live in a relatively civillised country. If you dont like people voicing different opinions, maybe you guys should move to North Korea..(again not adressed to you "anytipswelcome")

StrawberryFlowers · 15/09/2025 23:18

I don't think the police are responsible. I think her mother contributed to her being damaged. She took her out of boarding school to a cult in Nigeria where she experienced a huge amount of dehumanising abuse.

Chamille · 15/09/2025 23:14

AI whats that? I am educated and experienced, I do not need any help from anyone to respond to online posts. very basic ones too.. Keep your jealousy to yourself it does not make you shine.

JHound · 15/09/2025 23:10

Butchyrestingface · 15/09/2025 19:54

Unfortunately the MANopause doesn't exist and her partner-in-crime could feasibly be released only to impregnate the next generation's supply of gullible idiots.

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They are so obsessed with each other I doubt either will move on to anyone else.

Chamille · 15/09/2025 23:02

lol im thinking about "the shite you are drivelling" like you were there with them and saw everything. take your big ego somewhere else it is not needed at this time. This is a post with a question and people on line are giving their opinion. you gave yours so dont you insult other who give theirs. it makes you look like a lowlife simpleton.

TallerSally · 15/09/2025 20:39

What a relief that these two bonehead child killers have now been put away.

The children of Britain (theirs in particular, as well as any future children they might have had, and put in harm's way) will be protected from their bumbling, self-absorbed malevolence for at least 7 years. Likely more, as it's pretty clear CM should never have another child and therefore, as a pp has said, she needs to be post-menopausal before she's released. So sad it won't be possible to stop MG. After 2+ years in jail the two are still entitled and unremorseful, and will be just as unremorseful in a decade.

Some, including the parents who have had their children removed and showed up in court to support these two killer clowns, and ostensibly the OP, are still trying to blame everyone else for the monstrous actions of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon.

One can only feel sorry for such folks, and for any children they may still have parental responsibility for: clearly, basic notions of child protection and safeguarding escape them entirely. Such "lack of insight" explains why there is still the need, every single day, for Children's Services to remove children from the care of abusive and neglectful parents. And explains why some people, including the OP, simply refuse to engage with the facts of this case and remain stuck in la-la-land, arguing the indefensible.

As this case has demonstrated, the UK child protection system is far from perfect, and if anything is excessively lenient towards abusive and neglectful parents, leaving them with leeway to harm children and cause wrongful deaths. In my view the Courts were also excessively lenient towards CM and MG, allowing them to behave outrageously throughout the trials and even in the dock today. Schoolchildren get punished more for less bad behaviour.

But I suppose at least we can feel a sense of justice for baby Victoria, even if her life wasn't saved. And Britain's worst parents, CM and MG, have been prevented from harming more children.

CagneyNYPD1 · 15/09/2025 20:19

Marten and Gordon have been in remand for a significant amount of time. Plenty of time to reflect on their choices and what happened to their baby girl.

But according to the BBC live reporting, they sat in the dock today chatting to each other. Marten was writing notes and trying to pass them to Gordon. She was seen making love hearts with her hands towards him. They had to be told off by the judge more than once for their behaviour in court today.

No remorse. No reflection. Even after all this time. Absolutely disgraceful.

The reports regarding the previous contact with the courts and social services is incredibly upsetting. Two damaged adults who consistently put themselves and their relationship above the needs and welfare of their own children.

They deserve prison. Marten could very well be out in less than 7 years…14 year sentence, serve 2/3 so 9 and a bit years. She’s been on remand for over 2 years already.

I don’t say this lightly because of the connotations but both Marten and Gordon should be heavily encouraged to get sterilised before release.

Butchyrestingface · 15/09/2025 20:16

I feel for their existing 4 children, who I believe have been adopted.

Imagine reaching 18 or whatever age, deciding you want to trace your biological parents, and THAT is what you're confronted by.

Hopefully the adoptive parents have been given some kind of steer in how to handle the situation should that day arrive.

Butchyrestingface · 15/09/2025 20:11

Chamille · 15/09/2025 14:24

It did look like a witch hunt for sure i can only agree with you.
I did not quite understand why they were chased like criminals as soon as the mum got pregnant. Likely because she is from a high up family tied to the royals(the dad was one of Diana's and Charle's page if I remember well).
Lets look at what would have happened if they had been allowed to stay warm in the flat they were living in, the mother having been allowed to have a normal peacefull pregnancy and not have to be chased and forced to give birth in a car. Who would really chose to be that uncomfortable? Always question what you hear and see, do not judge right away, you were never walking in her shoes.
She was not left with much choice except surrendering her new born once again(her previous baby had been taken away from her she was a scarred grieving mother).
Her parents simply did not want her to soil their family reputation by having their daughter create a family with a "shady partner", the one she had chosen to be her kid's dad.
ok I do not know all of the story but enough to think this story is warped and only shows us one side of the story(the wealthy family and police side story)
Im not one to believe only one side of a story, having been the black sheep and scapegoated by my own family. Again I am not projecting my story either on this, but I am aware that what we are being fed by the news and "important people of authority" is not always the truth and often the twisted side of the truth(and that is spoken from experience).
Please consider this point of view without feeling the need to insult and desecrate my thoughts on this.
Have compassion for a mother who did not get the chance to live a normal pregnancy as she was being hounded and forced to camp out in the cold winter months with her new born baby.
a mother who lost her baby by circumstances that were pushed on her, cornered like a scared fox would be in a hunt that could only lead to a dramatic outcome.

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Constance, stop hogging the jail computer. Other prisoners want to use it.

smallpinecone · 15/09/2025 20:10

Yorkshirelass04 · 15/09/2025 16:55

I cant believe how much her parents stuck up for her and said she was a kind person etc. Surely at this stage, you'd just keep quiet?

If it were my daughter, I’d be keeping very quiet about the fact. I could never support her in any way.

PinkPauline · 15/09/2025 20:07

@Butchyrestingface that is a depressing thought isn’t it?

anytipswelcome · 15/09/2025 20:01

BMW6 · 15/09/2025 18:40

Chamille

Could you at least wonder and answer me this

How come both parents had lovely warm coats and hats yet their baby wore only a thin babygro in the depths of winter?

You can see it in the CCTV footage.

This is a great question for @Chamille

This factually happened, they knew it was cold enough that they needed warm winter coats on. Their baby was dressed in an outfit completely unsuitable for the same weather they were dressed for.

Do you think safe, loving parents would dress themselves for the bitter cold but not their tiny baby?

Butchyrestingface · 15/09/2025 19:54

PinkPauline · 15/09/2025 19:07

Constance Marten is 38 now. Let’s hope after the 14 years in prison she will have gone through the menopause and will never get pregnant again.

Unfortunately the MANopause doesn't exist and her partner-in-crime could feasibly be released only to impregnate the next generation's supply of gullible idiots.

Notatallanamechange · 15/09/2025 19:42

Chamille · 15/09/2025 15:37

again, you do not know if that info is the truth.The family could say anything and have it published. Were you present? Were you in the family?
You only know what the news feeds you. The policen mobilised in huge numbers seem odd.
When a child is endangered, in my experience as a whistle blower, often the social services do nothing about it or too late. A mother has not had a baby yet and a huge withchunt is put in place. allow me to wonder and ponder.

Huge police numbers mobilised and yet the poor soul still couldn’t be saved. Because her parents did not give a fuck. Those police were mobilised to find an innocent, at risk NEWBORN. And she ended up dead through the fault of her parents. Because they felt they knew better. Knew better? They slept with her in a tent in JANUARY. And now she is DEAD. So I think the parents proved without a doubt they should never have been trusted, they never put their children first and they are never fit to be parents.

Honestly just think about the shite you are drivelling. There’s a dead child, who died in the ‘care’ of her parents and you want to make it everyone else’s fault. It’s pathetic.

PinkPauline · 15/09/2025 19:07

Constance Marten is 38 now. Let’s hope after the 14 years in prison she will have gone through the menopause and will never get pregnant again.

BMW6 · 15/09/2025 18:40

Chamille

Could you at least wonder and answer me this

How come both parents had lovely warm coats and hats yet their baby wore only a thin babygro in the depths of winter?

You can see it in the CCTV footage.

Boomer55 · 15/09/2025 18:30

Gardenbumblebee · 15/07/2025 09:57

No, I disagree. I read the BBC article this morning about how they behaved in court, delaying the trial, refusing to attend, shouting, arguing, and Gorden choosing to represent himself which lead to him cross examining Martin (wtf?). They are clearly very disturbed, entitled people that feel the normal rules and laws of society don't apply to them. They are so wrapped up in themselves and each other they dont care about anything, even the life of a tiny baby. The police should have gone harder.

This. No sympathy for either of them.

JHound · 15/09/2025 18:29

LetsGoRoundAgainAgain · 15/09/2025 17:25

I mean this with as much respect as a can muster

What in the name of giddy fuck chat GBT enhanced shittery are you talking about?

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😆 it’s like you read my mind!

JHound · 15/09/2025 18:28

Chamille · 15/09/2025 15:37

again, you do not know if that info is the truth.The family could say anything and have it published. Were you present? Were you in the family?
You only know what the news feeds you. The policen mobilised in huge numbers seem odd.
When a child is endangered, in my experience as a whistle blower, often the social services do nothing about it or too late. A mother has not had a baby yet and a huge withchunt is put in place. allow me to wonder and ponder.

She had 4 children removed from her previously.

VacationQueen · 15/09/2025 17:32

Some people cannot comprehend that such horrific actions can come without excuse. Marten made poor decision after poor decision and only ever held her and Gordon’s best interests at heart. How anyone can read up on this case and coin her some innocent and kind soul is beyond me, and honestly, can IMO only come from a place of disbelief that a woman/ mother could ever treat their child in this way.

Victoria was not their first child nor was she the only child to suffer harm as a consequence of their actions. Marten could have done things differently but she chose not to, she consistently chooses not to.

People who find themselves in these situations rarely have the ability to reflect on their own behaviour and would rather convince themselves (and others) that someone else is to blame. That is how some of the worst of human kind still have supporters backing their side of the story (they have told everyone a version of events that fits their narrative and the story is flipped so they are the victim).

Their sentence could never have been long enough.

LetsGoRoundAgainAgain · 15/09/2025 17:25

Chamille · 15/09/2025 14:24

It did look like a witch hunt for sure i can only agree with you.
I did not quite understand why they were chased like criminals as soon as the mum got pregnant. Likely because she is from a high up family tied to the royals(the dad was one of Diana's and Charle's page if I remember well).
Lets look at what would have happened if they had been allowed to stay warm in the flat they were living in, the mother having been allowed to have a normal peacefull pregnancy and not have to be chased and forced to give birth in a car. Who would really chose to be that uncomfortable? Always question what you hear and see, do not judge right away, you were never walking in her shoes.
She was not left with much choice except surrendering her new born once again(her previous baby had been taken away from her she was a scarred grieving mother).
Her parents simply did not want her to soil their family reputation by having their daughter create a family with a "shady partner", the one she had chosen to be her kid's dad.
ok I do not know all of the story but enough to think this story is warped and only shows us one side of the story(the wealthy family and police side story)
Im not one to believe only one side of a story, having been the black sheep and scapegoated by my own family. Again I am not projecting my story either on this, but I am aware that what we are being fed by the news and "important people of authority" is not always the truth and often the twisted side of the truth(and that is spoken from experience).
Please consider this point of view without feeling the need to insult and desecrate my thoughts on this.
Have compassion for a mother who did not get the chance to live a normal pregnancy as she was being hounded and forced to camp out in the cold winter months with her new born baby.
a mother who lost her baby by circumstances that were pushed on her, cornered like a scared fox would be in a hunt that could only lead to a dramatic outcome.

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I mean this with as much respect as a can muster

What in the name of giddy fuck chat GBT enhanced shittery are you talking about?