To get irrationally angry at train behaviour

I completely disagree if you are talking about table seats. These aren’t designed for groups but for people who specifically want a table! This can be for many reasons. As a solo traveller I always book one to put the study materials I am using on as I can’t do this in a single seat. I travelled for years with young kids and booked table seats well in advance if they were available but never felt I was ENTITLED to them

The last time I went on the train in the UK was 6 years ago. Had booked seats for me, my mum and dd, and I had ds in a baby carrier. Very crowded train and people were sat in our booked seats and wouldn't move.

Its so stupid that they sell more tickets than there are seats for anything longer than a local commuter train - don't do that in my country, you buy a ticket and you get a seat, which you can pick from the seat map if you buy online or on the app. And there's little phone call cabins between some carriages where people can go to make their noisy phone calls in peace. And people that need to work on the train can book seats in the working carriages, where there's individual swivel seats against a long table going up the carriage so can use your laptop while looking out the window at the view. And a bookable conference room for meetings.

But how would you know? It's getting a bit ridiculous now with posters saying those who are slow due to disability might be being inconsiderate to those behind them who ALSO have disabilities. Existing in a public space means accepting that your own personal preference and ideal scenario is unlikely to be achieved. Of course there are many selfish inconsiderate arseholes out there too but most people are just trying to get on with their data d sometimes that involves getting in other people's way. It is allowed.

I don’t agree, it’s not a space designed specifically for groups surely it’s a space designed for those who need a table….. that could be groups or solo travellers.

I only ever use train travel for work trips. I invariably need to work on my laptop as travel is often during my working day, so I need a table seat.

If groups want a space together they should pre-book the seats.

That’s fair enough, nothing wrong with that, I was thinking of those could move to let people pass or just wait until everyone has boarded to sort themselves out, but just don’t care / have absolutely no awareness of others at all.

....selfish pricks who block aisles on trains to fuck about with their luggage!

Like putting in the overhead racks, as pp said they should?

Can't win.

Yes I’ve also been whacked in the face before by people’s rucksacks while they keep turning around to talk to their mates and then turn back the other way to talk to their other mate and WHACK straight in my face! Surely they should know that if they have a massive backpack on their back and keep moving it about from side to side it has the potential to really hurt somebody. By all means keep it on your back if it’s easier to carry like that while you’re on the platform but take the damn thing off your back and carry it before you get on the train or you’ll end up knocking somebody out!

Also have you ever thought that the people waiting for these selfish pricks who block aisles may also have disabilities and aren’t able to stand for too long but are kept waiting and standing by selfish pricks who block aisles on trains to fuck about with their luggage! Or does playing the disability card only work when it suits your narrative?

One thing I wish people would do is take their rucksacks off their backs and carry them in front of them so they don't whack everyone's shoulders as they walk by.

And before anyone says it, it would of course not be an issue (for me) if I sat in the window seat :)

I sit on the aisle seat because I want the outside seat. In the winter I don't want to be next to the window because the heater blows out hot air and it gives me a headache. And I don't want someone with a dog sitting next to me. Or someone who will take ages to get off at the station and hold me up. And some women don't want a manspreader next to them.

I don't care if people don't like having to ask me if they can sit down. Open your mouth and ask.

I want the outside seat. I got there first so I get to choose. That is all.

Well, toilets are there for people to poo in. I doubt anyone is making a huge performance out of it in there. Must be pretty embarrassing to need the loo on a busy train when there are several people hanging around outside the cubicle.

And the table seats are for 4 travellers, not necessarily 4 people who know each other. If my reserved seat is on a table, then I wont budge. If you are a group that wants to sit together, then you should have booked seats.

Great. Now I’m having imaginary conversations with the annoying people

Oh wow what a constructive argument to put across to defend selfish, self centred fuck wits! Yeah everyone else should have more patience and tolerate these morons! Ok 👌 🤣

I’m starting to think you’re one of those people with no patience!

Oh we do! But when they’re just fucking about and not having consideration for others who they are blocking then they can fuck right off! I’m starting to think you are one of these infamous aisle blockers on trains hence why you seem so sympathetic towards them!

That poster is probably one of those who blocks the aisles on trains hence why they seem to be so sympathetic with aisle blocker and thinks everyone else should have some patience while we wait for said aisle blocker to fuck about blocking everyone else

Maybe you should have some consideration for the person who may be moving slowly due to a hidden disability. I speak from experience! I always move aside to let people pass me though.

If they're making enough noise for people to move that's antisocial.

Only because she was on a ramp. Most suitcases are a bit harder to control on a ramp. The other commuter barged into the suitcase then blamed the poster.

A larger suitcase is unavoidable if you are staying away for a longer time. You didn't answer my question. What would you take for a 2 week trip?

When someone’s blocking the aisle behind them on a busy train while they faff, preventing others from getting to their seats and even getting onto their carriage at all, it’s not for the poor buggers left stuck behind them to learn patience, it’s for the aisle blocker to be aware of others and learn some consideration. And yes, nine times out of ten “excuse me” doesn’t work, they never seem to hear you or they just ignore you because they think their need to get themselves comfortable as slowly as possible overrides everyone else’s need to get to their bloody seat! Just sit down then sort out your coffee, coat, bags, etc once everyone else has been able to board!

Not being an arse but if you cannot control the bag, you are carrying.Don't take one that big. It doesn't matter what the other passenger said she admitted she was struggling to control it.

To be fair, floor and wall smearing is not unknown on some of the services I've seen! Also ostentatious puking. (Edit to add:) Men using the spaces intended for bikes to be strapped balanced on their back wheels as urinals, as they have a plughole in the floor in case of wet bikes. That's something not pleasant on the nose after a few hours either.
So, yes, again, under the many lovely experiences that come within 'group dynamics in an enclosed, expensive space you have to pay for' you can get to the point of being grateful for a seat, and some can be grateful for a working loo that flushes waste away even if it's smelly due to being used for what it should be used for.

I travel to Cheshire fairly frequently. The trains to and from Manchester/Liverpool can be booked, however the bookings don’t always follow through onto the train, for various reasons. Sometimes the trains just aren’t big enough. I booked the last couple of times coming back, the bookings were visible, but people had decided to sit there anyway! As an over 70 with a dodgy knee, and a disabled railcard, I really would like there to be a member of staff around to help. I asked, and got my seat, but didn’t feel confident. One couple almost got into a punch up with people who hadn’t booked, sitting in their seats.

Journeys across Cheshire on the other hand, aren’t bookable, but there are always seats, and a ticket inspector. Makes for much more civilised travel.

A small but irritating thing for me is people who hug the grab bars when on packed trains with standing room only. Wrapping your arm or leaning your whole body against it means other people can’t use it and not everyone has the balance or can reach the higher bars. Hold on to the grab bar with one hand so it can be used by others!

And if you were planning on eating your late night takeaway on the train but find it’s rammed and you have to stand, it’s better to wait rather than eat in the face of the poor person squashed in front of you. They don’t want a close-up of you chewing your Double Whopper or to be hit in the face with it when the train lurches. This seems like a basic courtesy but some people (men in my experience) don’t get it!

Did you actually read the post or did you just highlight that bit to be an arse? The other commuter was at fault. Also not everyone drives so if you are going away for a long time, then a large bag is kind of necessary. What sort of bag would you take for a 2 week trip?