Measles vaccination.

The first MMR was originally at 15-16 months but was changed to 12 months so it came under most people's maternity leave.
Although some clinics make it difficult by having vaccine sessions only on one afternoon per week.

I agree with you. But just to add they would have to take time off work if the child sadly died due to measles.

Well, you can choose to believe me or not. I've got 25 years in the NHS, including 12 years in research management. You've got conspiracy theories.

Wow, to be so knowledgeable about how things are documented. It must be true then.

Funny. So do I. Years in health research, we also used the yellow card system to report adverse reactions.

I just know how professionals document.

Or you could try not to believe in conspiracy theories...

Some stupid parents actually believe they know better than the actual WORLD Health Organisation. Very worrying.

Of course they are, but not due to the vaccine . Don’t be silly to believe everything that is documented by ‘professionals’

Don't be silly. Adverse vaccine reactions are documented and recorded.

is anything ever documented about the deaths caused by vaccinations?? NO. That’s not news it is!!

It's when parents say they chose not to vaccinate due to the (much debunked) "link" with autism. I always want to respond, "would you rather an autistic child or a dead one?" There's no point in trying to argue that their beliefs into what the vaccine can cause, isn't true, so I feel this is the best response. And it's funny how when there's a local outbreak, the parents who refused the vaccine all suddenly want it. Obviously just relying on herd immunity when it suits them, not realising that herd immunity doesn't work when more and more people take up the same unfactual views as them. And the poor children who's parents refuse to protect them, and the ones who can't have the vaccines for whatever reason, are the ones that suffer. I believe it should be mandatory if you want to enrol your children into education. Same as kenneling a dog. The rules are simple, either play by them or don't, but if you don't, you don't get to put others at risk.

There's a good reason @Poohbear333 hasn't come back to this thread.

My son contracted measles a couple of months after his first MMR (as one doesn't always confer complete protection) he was very unwell for a couple of weeks, but now has an amblyopic (lazy) eye.

You say that these studies are from child psychology, legal documents etc, but they are stating incorrect facts.

"any level of aluminium" - aluminum is found in many foodstuffs like tea, herbs and cereals. The level of aluminium in our bodies is low but not zero

Mercury (or more correctly thiomersal) has not been a constituent of vaccines for 20 years - thiomersal was removed from vaccines (at least in the UK) by 2005, and this was considered to be a precautionary measure aimed at reducing lifetime exposure to mercury, rather than because of evidence of harm). A meta analysis of vaccine data of over 1 million children https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24814559/ did not find any link between thiomersal and autism.

A study in Finland carried out over 14 years with 1.8 million children participating did not show evidence of a link between MMR and autism (Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal 2000;19:1127-34) - and there are many other large studies that show this as well.

Your comment that injecting "bypasses the body's natural defence system" is not really correct either - injecting bypasses our skin and gut, which have their own defences, but our body and blood is literally teeming with immune defences, which is why it's fortunately rare that a minor scratch or graze (which also then allows germs to bypass the skin) turns into serious infection.

Not everyone is anti-vax. I think some people really find it hard to organise the vaccinations. I struggled to get my youngest her booster, because it had to be done by a nurse at our surgery and she only worked two mornings a week. They were difficult days for us with work, nursery etc. This is in the middle of a big city. We got it done, but I really believe we need to make it easier for people.

I’ve just been looking at the stats here in Alberta as we currently have close to 1600 confirmed cases across the province. Take up is roughly 71%, but as low as 24% in some areas in the south.

Everyone should just download the WHO data sheet, adjust all the published statistics into comparable data and then it just becomes a maths decision rather than an emotional one. No name calling, no calling the other 'side' stupid, when everyone is just trying to do the best thing for their kids.

Well done for fighting the fear - i can understand it but it really isn’t matched by the balance of evidence which is extraordinarily on the side of these vaccinations. I personally do think it’s sometimes unhelpful that medical professionals are now so “it’s your choice” when they should be making it clearer which choices are ones where the evidence is overwhelmingly on one side. I remember feeling infuriated when my kids were born that the midwives weren’t more emphatic about the importance of the vitamin k injection (I knew how important it was and so had it for both of them but it almost felt like I was having to chase them for it).

It may be understandable in other countries with private healthcare and insurance, it's much less understandable in the UK.

You idiot, just because the Covid vaccine hasn’t eradicated Covid (in the same way the flu vaccine has not eradicated flu) doesn’t mean that (i) it’s not beneficial for the vulnerable to have both or either vaccines, or (ii) that other vaccines for different diseases have not eliminated, or effectively eliminated those disease.

God you’re a moron.

Measles vaccine antibodies lasts for about 10 years, if yours was more than a decade ago (which is the case for most adults)- you too are unvaccinated. “A 2019 Italian study estimated that circulating anti-measles IgG antibodies decrease 10–15 years after the second dose of MMR” .

One of the most insidious things about contracting measles is that it makes your immune system 'forget' how to fight off infections, even ones you've already encountered, and this immune amnesia can last several years. So not only are you taking on all the risks associated with measles, you're also vastly increasing your chances of catching multiple other illnesses and all the risks associated with each of those too.

I “lectured” both my DC to ensure their DC had the MMR because my DH’s uncle lost both his DS to measles. Neither of their DP recovered from the losses. As soon as my eldest was born, the uncle was on my case to ensure my DS had all his vaccines. Until I met him I, mistakenly, thought measles was like chickenpox, not that serious!

Vaccine injury exists, I don't think anyone is trying to deny that. However the point is that serious, life changing reactions to vaccines (I'm not talking about a snotty nose for a few days) are far, far less likely to happen than the life changing results of even a fairly mild case of measles (I had a mild case, the side effects are for my whole life). You so have to do a risk/benefit analysis but the numbers are overwhelmingly in favour of vaccinating.

@Cynic17 That’s totally my view. They don’t see child deaths and don’t understand the stats on these illnesses either. Parents were so grateful for vaccinations decades ago when so many dc did die. Now we think it’s someone else's dc.

Liverpool at 73% is awful and I would be wondering what the NHS is doing about it. I believe in Australia you cannot start school without the required vaccinations. We should do that here because non vaccination in large numbers means no vaccination at all for everyone. We need to get a grip.