Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

I'd be so interested to see interviews with the parents of these children...

Do they have regrets?
do they wish they had vacinated their kids?
are they doubling down on vaccines all being a big pharma conspiracy for bill gates to put chips in us?
What is going on in their brains?

I am yet to be made aware of any campaigners who are in the "i was antivaxer but then my child died..." camp but thry must exist

I remember various nurses on TV during the pandemic insisting that the Covid vaccine was dodgy and that they would not be getting it "because no-one tells me what to do."

Mind-boggling.

In what ways is she an intelligent person?

That justification of hers does not make her sound remotely intelligent.

Yes @Needlenardlenoo… and something like the Swallows and Amazons book where they were all in quarantine for weeks because Nancy had a really nasty case of mumps. Was it Pigeon Post? Must reread those.

Yes, Hobson’s choice! You’d be hard pushed to find a private clinic offering single jabs. Some private clinics do import unlicensed single vaccines, I believe. Why not bring them under the umbrella of the NHS, or facilitate licenced single vaccine production in the UK? Like I said, they’ve been pretty much outlawed.

I had that experience too re the books! I was a primary age child in the early 80s and loved reading. My grandpa used to deal in secondhand books and used to pass on everything he thought I'd read (that was unsaleable). The diseases! A common plot line was that someone would get measles, scarlet fever, diphtheria, TB...

I do believe in ‘buts’ @adviceneeded1990 … but (see what I did there) so many objections seem to be based on straightforwardly wrong information, at least when it comes to vaccination.

It’s difficult to pick out the moments of reasonable doubt either tacked on to or buried within a mountain of bullshit sometimes, and that goes all ways I guess.

The only person I know who didn’t give their child the MMR is also a nurse!

Is it so hard to understand that very few things are black or white and that in general it’s perfectly acceptable to have a “but” on what you think is ok and should be accessible? I don’t believe a lot of what we were fed about covid, nor do many others, people lost their trust in the mainstream media and in Government spokespeople during that time. Primarily because of things said by those people that have since been proven to be lies. That doesn’t make everyone a rapid anti vaxxer TikTok lunatic tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, it just means people started to question information.

Plenty of people are pro choice but with a legal limit by the way - the UK law has a “but” of the 24 week cut off apart from in exceptional circumstances. In that same way I am pro vaccinations “but” wouldn’t receive a covid jab.

Is there any data of the ethnicity of the children who aren't vaccinated?

It seems to be people with English as a second language missing their babies vaccination appointments in this area.

I personally think the new childcare subsidies should be contingent on being up the date with vaccinations unless medically contraindicated. Eg from 9 months you must have completed the infant course, from 18 months mmr. Works in other countries

Adults, of course, are free to make any decisions they like for themselves. But when it comes to their children, one could argue that failure to vaccinate could be classed as abuse, or at least neglect. And the impact on other children is not negligible either. Maybe it is time to make school enrolment conditional on full vaccination? Or maybe it will take several deaths to make idiot parents think again?

What about those who cant have it due to cancer or other health reasons? Why should they be put at risk because people want to be idiots.

Coincidently Andrew Wakefield also filed a patent for a single measles vaccine 9 months before his (debunked) study. What an amazing coincidence that is!

If you google it there are several clinics offering it as a single vaccine 🤷‍♀️

Utter rubbish. The more a disease circulates, the greater the potential for mutation. If this happens then even the vaccinated won't be protected.

And those unable to have the vaccine, or who have lost immunity are left very vulnerable from having so many unvaxxed around.

Take your choice, but I'd prefer if you stayed out of our schools if you're too stupid to realise that vaccination against deadly diseases is a good idea.

I don’t understand this concern about formaldehyde at all. Formaldehyde is naturally occurring in the body as a by product of metabolism. The average adult produces approximately a shot glass amount of formaldehyde a day whereas the amount of in a vaccine is minuscule.
As always it’s the dose which is important.

Yea and absolutely no unvaccinated children in school or nursery

@skippydoodle the absolute libertarian position doesn’t work (imo it hardly ever does) because there is a percentage of children who genuinely can’t be vaccinated and must rely on the extraordinary enterprise that is public health vaccination. It’s also not really ok that an increasing number of parents are risking long periods of suffering and ill health on other people (their children).

Anti vaxxers are idiots. I’m usually more articulate than this, but frankly it’s all that needs to be said. There is no point in arguing with them, because they are too stupid to understand reasonable points or science.

Because not everyone can be vaccinated and the last thing children on chemo need is children with measles who wouldn’t have it if they had been vaccinated

I feel outraged and heartbroken at the same time

children walking to get water killed in Gaza and people won’t take this “no risk” privilege and are risking others health

so blo**dy outraged!

I appreciate there are perceived barriers, and in some extreme cases, actual barriers, but when the list of those things just don’t add up it’s open to question how valid they are.

I’m sure if you ask someone who just never bothered, couldn’t be arsed, or hadn’t done it for some other reason they didn’t want to admit, blaming poor GP access sounds plausible on the face of it.

What is true, is there are barriers to healthcare generally for some groups of people. Lack of trust, lack of local provision etc. This is primarily the case for non white populations, but can also impact on some low income families. Lack of vaccinations in those areas is only a very small part of a much bigger problem that needs to be addressed.

It does effect them, we need vaccination along with herd immunity, it also protects the small number of people who genuinely cannot have certain vaccines, and those going through chemo, radiotherapy etc.

Exactly. I mentioned to the nurse that my DS had cried his eyes out at his previous vaccine appointment and it was very difficult to console him. She offered to give the vaccines over separate appointments. If it’s possible to do it for a relatively trivial reason, I’m sure parents can ask if they’re worried about overloading.