Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

I think anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children should not be entitled to NHS support if their child has issues from this decision

They are ignorant beyond belief. I had a friend when my son was small who was anti vax and said that if her kids had measles she would treat them homeopathically. I know 100% if her kids had measles she would expect the NHS to sort it out. Beyond annoying uniformed people who jump on a bandwagon

That's not what was said
You see you are coming across as someone completely blinkered, rather than someone who wants to have a wider discussion

Of course you will be very conscious of the problems that vaccines can cause. And I support that this needs to be talked about, fears discussed etc
But the evidence, and statistics simply mean that the need to vaccinate is overwhelming the right course of action

Never heard anybody refer to measles as a vitamin deficiency. What a load of bo**ocks.
Measles is caused by a virus. You can't "cure it " or "reduce it's effects," with multi vitamins. You have to vaccinated against it or be prepared to suffer the consequences of catching the disease.
Historically, ports such as Liverpool have often been the entry point for disease in the UK.That still can't be avoided as many countries can't afford free vaccinations for their citizens, disease is more common in these places and travel is quite commonplace. Mass vaccination provides a buffer against the spread of disease and protects the minority who medically cannot have the vaccine.
I remember my mother who was a nurse from the 50's to the 80's ( not far from Liverpool coincidentally) telling me that nobody would be anti- Vax if they had nursed babies suffering the complications of measles, polio or diphtheria.
Too many little white coffins summed up her feelings.
She viewed it as the actions of a responsible parent/citizen to get your children vaccinated. The majority of parents in Liverpool and elsewhere do vaccinate their children and so probably feel the same duty of care.

With the exception of parents whose children cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, I have absolutely no respect parents who do not vaccinate.I don’t care what people’s “personal reasons” for not vaccinating may be, religious or otherwise. They’re not good enough reasons.

No, vaccines are not risk free and vaccine damage can and does happen. It is extremely rare, but it is real. But you know what else is real? That children can die of the diseases the vaccines protect against. Not only can die, they do die, and historically did so in vast numbers.

Vaccines do not pose a greater risk than the diseases they’re designed to protect against.

Really? How much longer do you think that will be a requirement given the current government?

It's terrible that innocent child will die because parents are choosing not to vaccinate. But it is their choice, and they will have to live with the consequences of their decisions. Unfortunately some innocent parents will also have to live with the consequences of these decisions.

We cannot force parents to vaccinate, but I think it being a mandatory requirement for nursery/school places is a good start.

Anyone who ignores the overwhelming evidence that vaccines are far safer than letting your kid get diseased is an idiot yes.

Do you accept the statistics as to how safe vaccines are?

No they don't.
The idiocy is in risking your child's life instead of vaccinating against a deadly disease.

Are you aware a child has just died of measles and others are very ill?

I think there are a lot of people who have this sensible concern

If it was a valid concern, the nhs would not give the injections the way they do. There is research that goes into the way vaccines are given and combined, and its about maximising getting them into babies/children in a timely way. Feeling unwell after is not a reason not to vaccinate against a disease that kills.

If you really do feel you want to have single vaccines - pay and have them. You can do so via private doctors.

So Liverpudlians think people who have a different opinion to others are idiots?

Okay.......

Your ignoring plain statistics and science. The overwhelming majority of vaccinations do not cause serious illness. Balance that against the now influx of very poorly children from very presentable illnesses. I guess you go through life drug free? Every drug has serious extremely rare side effects. You haven't stated what vaccines they received either which is interesting just a blanket statement

Maybe that's because I personally know vaccine damaged people. That must make a difference to one's mindset surely?

Here in the US you have to show proof of vaccinations to be allowed to attend preschool and school.

I think they should have a minimum 15 day jail sentence and a 5000 dollar fine for vaccine refusal and their kids should not be allowed into public schools or anywhere really. They have no right to put other autoimmune people at risk bc of their fake science.

@Petitchat sick of you ignoring simple maths and refusing to consider a wider picture. Funny how you don’t respond to more detailed questions.
You act as though everyone has said vaccines never cause harm or cause issues, when everyone has talked about a wider balance
you are very selective in your mindset

Here we are…. Well that’s ok then. Let’s just blame someone else instead of taking responsibility ourselves then

100 per cent this! 👏👏

Many people said at the time that the 'stance' during Covid would lead to some parents becoming hugely sceptical of traditional vaccines. Those commentators too were shut down and told they were being ridiculous.

Yet, here we are...

I despair. Are you wilfully misunderstanding?
An unvaccinated child has just DIED from measles.

The instances of damage from vaccines is vanishingly rare. If we all stop vaccinating then actual deaths from measles will be HIGH. In Pre-vaccination times there were many child deaths and lifelong complications from measles.
People died. Children died. Without vaccination this could happen again.

Which ones?
The parents who risk their kids having permanent brain damage from vaccines?

I have seen this for myself. It's not a fallacy.

I’m in Liverpool and completely agree - these parents are idiots

Ditto....

Sick of this crap about people showing no empathy to vaccine damaged children.

Every ill effect or death, either with or without a vaccine is of course a tragedy
But it's about statistics and what is more likely to happen.
And then on top of that what you can contribute to, in wider society ( eg measles outbreak)
If you choose not to believe statistics, and put others at risk, you will be despised, and ridiculed