Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

The trouble with this argument is that experts can and do get it wrong. And as another poster said, they treat you like an idiot while they're telling you it's safe and won't you just listen to them because they're clever.

I will always champion vaccination, but I can see why people might be hesitant. Combatting antivaxxing is not going to happen by continuing to just belittle people for not wanting to blindly accept experts.

People will believe what tiktok is saying until they see the devastation caused by not vaccinating. Unfortunately they have already probably seen many instances where devastation was caused by experts (thalodamide, statins, Vioxx, personal experience of misdiagnosis or ineffective treatment) and those are probably more prevalent for them currently.

I think it should be seen an child endangerment, deliberately not getting medical treatment for a child is a crime and I see vaccinations as a medical treatment that prevent children dying, I don't know why anyone would risk their children because of paranoia about a vaccine that has saved so many lives, even if I believed the things they do such as "it causes autism" something I've heard a lot, I'd rather my child be autistic than dead from a preventable disease

What about the human right not to be exposed to potentially deadly illnesses of the children who are immunocompromised? Who couldn't have the vaccine for some other reason, such as allergy? Who had and lost immunity? For whom the vaccination just did not take? The children who depend on herd immunity.
Why should they be put at risk?

Not forgetting the fact that the more a disease circulates the more chance for mutation. If a mutation occurs there's a possibility that no one's vaccination will be adequate, and we'll be back to 1000+ dead per year because of measles.

If access to schools etc were to be denied to antivaxxers it is not only to protect the above children, but to act as an incentive and encouragement to the non-vaxxed, not as a punishment.

Should say herd immunity lol auto correct!

Sorry I also disagree with mandatory they did that to loads of ppl with Covid sure didn’t Australia refuse to allow Novak to play? I don’t understand why that jab was insisted upon but yet none of these vaccines like MMR are deemed as important by our government? Whether it be true or not the recent ‘vaccines’ and peoples distrust of them, their effectiveness and the issues they’ve caused afterwards, are bound to have a knock on effect to the others especially when people so publicly ie media discuss complications caused by them. Now personally I know ppl who’ve suffered from flu and covid jabs. I don’t know anyone who has actually had an issue after say MMR, other than a high temp for a few days in the kids. Plus a lot of people do understand hers immunity and think to themselves well I don’t have to chance my child cos everyone else is getting it for theirs. I wouldn’t necessarily jump to insulting their intelligence

@msddxx you say anti vaxxers are "The most thick people on the planet" but you want to condemn their children to being denied an education, stuck at home in that very echo chamber? Education isn't a favour to the parent; it is the human right of the child.

As should be the case in the U.K.

It’s utterly horrifying how parents get away with not vaccinating. The most thick people on the planet. I can’t believe they would happily put their own children at risk by leaving them exposed to such dangerous diseases.

You see this is the point
i had utmost understanding for those who were pregnant when due the covid jab, or with nuanced medical conditions or concerns. Or for younger generations where the benefits were less clear cut

thats why it has to be about education and support, before the stick

but fir some vaccines in particular the case is very clear. Again completely not ignoring that serious issues do occur, but rarely and the risks from outbreaks far exceed them

You see this is the point
i had utmost understanding for those who were pregnant when due the covid jab, or with nuanced medical conditions or concerns. Or for younger generations where the benefits were less clear cut

thats why it has to be about education and support, before the stick

but fir some vaccines in particular the case is very clear. Again completely not ignoring that serious issues do occur, but rarely and the risks from outbreaks far exceed them

Using the same risk analogy that anti vaxxers use, do they never cross the road in case they get knocked down by a car, never drive a car in case they have a car accident, never eat shellfish in case they get food poisoning? I could go on.

I’m from Liverpool and I know one anti vaxxer.

My children are all vaccinated but I have to say my gp surgery were crap about appointments for it. My youngest was born in lockdown and the GP surgery was nearly 2 years before they went back to business as usual. You couldn’t get an answer from them and you weren’t allowed to go into the reception area. I was getting letters from the health visiting service saying she was due to be vaccinated but I couldn’t actually get an appointment and I was panicking about her not having them on time. In the end I had to ring my health visitor and ask her to ring the gp to find out what was going on. I can imagine less neurotic parents might have just not bothered. Not saying that’s right but not everyone with children really understands what they need. Sad but true. It’ll be a combination of pig ignorance/or can’t be arsed.

Nobody is blinkered. We all know vaccines can, in rare cases, cause serious damage. The point is the risk is less than not vaccinating and catching the disease. I have every sympathy with the parents of vaccine damaged children, and with the children. It still doesn’t mean not vaccinating is a rational or sensible decision for everyone else.

Anyone who has passed GCSE maths would understand this ^^ very simple explanation.

All 3 of mine including the youngest he’s 2 had every jab that would protect them from illnesses. I draw the line at flu and Covid as these do not vaccinate just reduce symptoms, my reasoning for the others is that the slight discomfort and mild suffering of vaccination pales in comparison to the effects of the diseases. I worried with every one especially MMR and I do wonder why they all get grouped together but I’d still not chance any of them catching them. Having said that I was urged several times throughout my last pregnancy to get the flu and Covid jabs and I think a general mistrust of them impacts the other definite life saving jabs

Nobody is blinkered. We all know vaccines can, in rare cases, cause serious damage. The point is the risk is less than not vaccinating and catching the disease.
I have every sympathy with the parents of vaccine damaged children, and with the children. It still doesn’t mean not vaccinating is a rational or sensible decision for everyone else.

Have you read my posts commenting where I say exactly the opposite?..
No, thought not

As someone who lives in, but isn’t from, Liverpool (they prefer to be called scousers, not Liverpudlians) it’s a place that is very different socially to many others. There’s an inherent distrust of government, media etc (think Hillsborough, “managed decline” etc) and that causes (IMO) many social issues that result in people often choosing to be different to the rest of the country. In some situations I understand and agree (eg I know a couple of families that most people at Hillsborough) with that distrust. This isn’t one of those situations though. Having some state of the art medical facilities like Alder Hey here also gives a false sense of security. It’s far more complex here than just people thinking their child might get some sort of damage from a vaccine.

Also…it’s far close to a quarter than a third.

We'll have to agree to disagree....

As you are blinkered against the risk of brain damage to innocent babies and children.

Blinkered.

We can all play this silly game.

Blinkered

Aah but you see, they didn't say that. They gave reasons why. So it wasn't just because you disagree with them, they gave reasons
Blinkered

A decision to not vaccinate is not an opinion. It is an uninformed and moronic uneducated decision.

I disagree: firstly it's hardly the kid's fault; secondly it will just encourage such parents to use quack cures on their kids; and thirdly the whole point of the NHS is that it's available for everyone.

Yes it was what was said....

I'm in Liverpool and completely agree- these parents are idiots

I think people should be able to have different opinions without being called moronic and idiotic.
Isn't that against mumsnet rules?

Bit harsh on the kid, who didn’t really have a say in their parent’s moronic decision.