Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

I just want to finish with this:

Nowadays there seems to be an extremely selfish, self opinionated, one sided way of thinking that attempts to block ANY other opinions.

I.e. Trans, Sen, non vaxxing, womens rights, etc.

Blocking terms used:
Moronic.
Idiotic.
Uneducated.
Nazis.
Homophobic.
Transphobic.
Terf.
Etc....

Puts an end to meaningful debate.

Why do YOU guys find it so hard to grasp my personal feelings?

I'm not repeating it yet again.
I've seen enough in RL to convince me.

The end.

My son had a different blood cancer and caught so many things when he had no immune system. Even a common cold made him quite poorly and he also ended up with a nasty staph infection plus sepsis twice and a chest infection.

The poor family.

Frankly, those children aren't my priority. Children like my son who went through cancer treatment last year and are medically vulnerable are my priority.

They are entitled to be safe at school.

Yes yes, you said you disagree with her.

However the fact you can understand her reasoning suggests you don’t understand the concept any better than she does.

Her reasoning is moronic.

Of course we have. Idiotic of you to think otherwise.

I said way back I think she's wrong but I can understand why she feels as she does. He thoughts are that only half the herd needs to be immune.

You have to be joking. Have either you or your friend actually heard of herd immunity?

The child may not have contracted measles in the first place if it were not being spread and kept active by the non-vaxxed though.

The genuinely vulnerable depend on herd immunity and vaccine uptake.

Why? Her DS isn't at risk. Overcautious perhaps but not an idiot.

She is clearly an idiot.

Her theory is that women should protect themselves. Not saying I agree but she is unlikely to vaccinate him unless she can have it singly. I think there are more like her out there.

That doesn't change the fact that irresponsible people who refuse to vaccine escalated his untimely death.

My DM was immun-compromised she died from Covid, she would probably be still here, had covid never happened.

Without the measles outbreak the sick child might be alive today.

The child who died had leukemia - then contracted measles and pneumonia, i think the media left that bit out. Just saying BTW. I agree with vaccinations and all mine have had theirs

Is he also never going to meet anyone who could be pregnant?

Yes it is an active movement almost a cult.
I have come across some of them near me. They were ranting at me in the street during covid because I was wearing a mask. Linked masks to the holocaust. And this from a highly educated person with medical background.
They have lecture tours around the world and many fans who bring in others and finance them.

Sadly, that is true.

The risk of vaccine damage is not a greater risk than the diseases themselves pose. Absolute fact. Why do you find it so hard to grasp?

Rubella vaccination isn’t needed because he’s male? What?

It is absolutely staggering how few people seem to understand the very simple concept of herd immunity.

This is where the argument falls apart for me - any side that begins attacking innocent parties in this way has lost the moral high ground.

DF is deciding about this now. Her DS has had mumps and isn’t going to be pregnant so rubella not needed. He has had bad reactions and she wants him to just have a measles jab but it’s all 3 or nothing.

Money talks, and it is a language everyone understands. I'd rather give £30, or £300, to a feckless parent who hasn't been motivated enough to take their kid to a vaccination appointment than exclude that same kid from education.

Previous research has shown that financial incentives in areas with low rates of breastfeeding can increase the number of babies being breastfed. The 2018 NOSH trial in South Yorkshire showed that breastfeeding incentives (I think it was a £30 voucher) had a significant effect on breastfeeding continuation rates at six to eight weeks.

Tbh I am really shocked that people would willingly force unvaccinated children out of society, rather than explore every avenue to increase vax rates to the c. 95% needed for herd immunity. Way to disenfranchise those children and young people even further and create even more distrust in things seen as government-adjacent, like healthcare.

I would rather live in a nanny state than a two tier society.

And obviously there are massive ethical issues if the unvaccinated make life less safe for clinically vulnerable people. We saw that in 2020, there are no simple answers.

Paying people to participate in putting the DC health first, that's a crazy idea.

We've lost common sense when the government is a nanny state.

There needs to be more focus on the benefits, and the results of not vaccinating.

I disagree with paying parents as that's a bit weird, the type of parents who would be encouraged by money in the decision are disgusting.

Children should be excluded from school without vaccinations, my DS has to have hib and other vaccinations every 5 years, he is currently taking an antibiotic daily to support his Immune system from repeated illness from trying to attend school.

Excluding children from school for their vax status should be an absolute last resort.

As I mentioned much further up the thread, the Government haven't tried hard enough to encourage vaccination through more conservative methods, starting with more availability of appointments/vaccine formats, all the way through to paying parents for completion of a vax schedule.

The parents who are anti vaccination would soon change their mind if their child could not fly until vaccinated. I doubt many don't have their week or more abroad each summer.

Why do the human rights of unvaccinated children come before the human rights of medically vulnerable children who deserve to be educated without the risk to their health as a result of unvaccinated children?