Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

I was really lucky, I had a good relationship with my gp and trusted him. I also had a close friend who was a gp. She explained that many immunisations are given early precisely because a child’s immune system is immature, reactions are more likely with a well developed immune system. Our immune system doesn’t recognise things it’s never encountered before so doesn’t react to it. It’s only by encountering things that it “learns” how to deal with it.

We actually have two boys with autism but a) they were born with it and b) thank god they’re not autistic and blind from measles!!

dh caught mumps about 18 years ago and I was so grateful that the boys were protected. None of the doctors in our local (major, teaching) hospital had seen it!

Just to add my 2p on Covid vaccines. I had a severe reaction which resulted in semi permanent nerve damage in my arm. As a result I was scared to have my daughter vaccinated. She got Covid in 2023 so severely that she now has a severe milk intolerance that impacts her daily. This has been confirmed as being a direct link to her having Covid by her consultant who she now has to see. She is also on daily Omeprazole. There isn’t a day that goes by where I don’t think I’m directly responsible. Instead of eating ice cream on holiday today she had to have a piece of pizza cooked with no cheese that my husband had to ask for specially. Something to think about maybe.

Having several at once doesn’t overload the immune system at all. Kids come into contact with hundreds of thousands of pathogens a day at the same time - an extra half a dozen makes no difference at all. Immune systems cope perfectly well - that’s their exact purpose.

SIDS rates have massively reduced over the years. If SIDS was caused by vaccinations then surely the rate would be just as high as before the back to sleep campaign?

Seems fairly obvious to me - if you want to prove vaccines are safe then a double blind trial of every vaccine needs to take place. Since there haven't been any there is no way to prove they are safe. They have been round for decades that's true - but so has SIDS which is more common post 8 week vaccines.

More information is required - why is a common childhood illness 50 years ago now designated a killer. Did the child in Liverpool die OF measles or WITH measles - there's a difference.

One of my children had a severe allergic reaction to the MMR and was advised against all other vaccines. Am I worried he will get measles? No because most adults are also no longer immune.

I agree, unvaccinated children should not be permitted to attend nursery or schools, unless certificated that they can’t.

Want to use society’s facilities? Well buy into society then.

How would vaccinating later help with that?

I had measles as a child and almost lost my sight. It was over 50 years ago but I still remember how horribly ill I was and how worried my parents were.
Measles kills so many people world wide. A quick look at the World Health Organisation website shows some shocking statistics. Over 107,500 people died of measles in 2023, mostly under 5's. I had to read that number several times because of the enormity of it.
To not have your child vaccinated against an easily preventable disease is unforgivable.

And is still being used!

The first vaccine was developed in 1796.

This last comment just shows a lack of understanding about how science works. Science is driving technological advancement and at the forefront of understanding environmental shifts. We do not often lag behind unless there's serious underfunding, eg as is happening in TrumpUSA.

What’s that got to do with vaccination though? You were saying children should be vaccinated later. What has this to do with that?

Parents face barriers to vaccinating children, says report - BBC News https://share.google/GmPpfE1EMSF5Ljp99

I’m not suggesting that vaccines are linked to colon cancer. Rather, I’m pointing out that we’ve seen many environmental and societal changes in recent years that may be impacting public health in complex ways. Identifying the root causes of these health trends is challenging, especially since the pace of scientific research often struggles to keep up with the speed of technological advancement and environmental shifts.

I can guarantee you that if you ask a vaccine expert how vaccines work, what are the benefits, what are the dangers, they know and they already happily share that information with us.

Colon cancer is related to diet and physical condition. Vaccines are not causing us to be unhealthier, our diet and levels of exercise are. I don't know where you are reading this stuff, but maybe (and I mean this genuinely and kindly) find out a bit about the history of vaccination and how the various types work within the body? It's genuinely amazing and has saved millions upon millions of lives overall.

Yes, for some that’s enough, for others it’s not.

Some need to know more, that’s how our local kwikfit was found to be taking advantage of women and patronising them, telling them they would t let them drive away without 4 new tires and a new brake system. It got called out because people started questioning it and kwikfit didn’t have a leg to stand on.

We defer to the scientists, but if questions are asked they should be answered, and very often they’re not, because too many are under the impression that scientists know best, let’s leave it at that. And in today’s world there are too many occasions of scientists getting it wrong and covering it up, and this leads to more people asking questions.
If they can’t answer, or they rely on people shutting down the questions, it’s in all our best interests to expect more communication, and in a way that more people can understand.

I have a friend who is a nurse who has chosen not to vaccinate her youngest child. It beggars belief!!

Which vaccinations are those?

How would these long term effects manifest? What is the mechanism? Vaccines leave the system having primed a natural bodily response. And I’m 60. I had lots of vaccinations. At what point do you think my generation will develop these issues linked to vaccines?

Many of the vaccines available today was not around when I was a baby, which don't have data over long term effects.

Vaccines have been around ages.
There are lots of reasons young people may be less healthy now and none are connected to the vaccination schedule.
Care to answer my earlier question about what mechanism you see leading to later vaccine issues?

In my view, vaccines have not been around long enough to know the implications. I am going to off on a slightly different tangent but there is some evidence that younger people are actually less healthier than previous generation and some diseases are increasing developing in younger adults. For example, Colon cancer. I read that this may be linked to microplastics in the environment.

Wtf???

That's just not true!