Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

Apologies - misread your post.

I vaguely remember coming across something (either in a documentary or possibly a newspaper article) where anti-vaxxers were saying that they were concerned about the use of formalin/formaldehyde in the MMR vaccination, which might be part of the reason why some people choose not to vaccinate their children.

I know that there are risks attached to formalin/formaldehyde (I see it regularly on containers at work), but I suppose that you have to weigh up the risks in comparison to the potential illness and/or fatality of your child.

I know that… I’m replying to the OP about why people aren’t getting their children vaccinated and giving some examples of what people are saying and reasons why
my mum was a ward sister in a children’s hospital, trust me I don’t need to walk around a graveyard to know the power of vaccines

I haven’t had the MMR and can’t have it so big fan of herd immunity and vaccination

I have seen the impact of vaccine damage.
My friend's little girl is incapacitated for life, physically and mentally.
In a wheelchair, unable to care for herself at all.

She was a healthy child before the vaccine.

@BoredZelda the case I have been referring to did not have anything to do with the AZ vaccine, nor did they suffer from a blood clot. I said life changing injury but stayed deliberately vague to avoid outing. You know nothing of this case.

I am in a lot of alternative parenting groups and the misinformation is rife. It plays on parents emotions when every time a vaccine is mentioned all the commentators say it is “poison” and beg you not to give it to your child.
There’s a sentiment that if you don’t vaccinate your child they will be the perfect child who never gets ill due to their “perfect” immune system because of course pre vaccines no one ever got ill.
Theres also the idea that any illness is a vaccine injury. Apparently my daughter’s appendicitis 5 years after her preschool boosters was somehow caused by them. By what possible mechanism I don’t know.
I saw a post this week by a mum who was upset as she had given her child the 8 week vaccines and stopped after that but her now toddler had had recurring ear infections and she was certain that it must have been those 8 week vaccines that had caused this and pretty much every comment was agreeing with her!
Many people take the view that “big pharma” is just trying to make people ill despite the fact that they’d make a lot more money from treating all these diseases and the subsequent lifelong health conditions if everyone actually got the diseases. They also conveniently ignore the fact that all these conspiracy theorists make their money by being antivax and need to keep views up by making sensational claims even if they aren’t in any way accurate.
I think it’s partly that parents nowadays have no memory of having or seeing these diseases due to the success of vaccines and partly it’s a difficulty with preventive medicine that you are giving something to your healthy child so there’s an element of fear that it might change something even when it’s proven to be very safe.

In fact here you go, first few comments and posts when I searched measles

I am so sick of hearing about the measles out break!! There is measles EVERY year around the first quarter of the year!! And guess what?!? These kids contracting it, 💉 or not, are getting the real antibodies needed to be forever immune. Measles is not a deadly illness by itself. It’s a vitamin A deficiency and can be resolved fairly quickly when vitamins A and C are administered to help the body recover.
The media is being paid to bring huge attention to the cases and cause mass hysteria. Please stop the madness, do not feed into it.

that is correct! The antibodies that are created from measles can in fact fight cancer cells. The problem is it has to be a true strain of measles and not the fabricated strain that comes from 💉

For my non-vaxing friends - if you’re feeling fear mongered by the unfortunate “measles” death that gave absolutely 0 info aside from being unvaccinated.. go read the comments in the link below. & then also, remember this. Vaxxed children 100% can and will likely contract measles. The unvaxxed didn’t bring this “outbreak.” We have plenty of resources and a massive community of people to help tackles this together and plenty of doctors and nurses that back and support not vaxxing. 🫶🏻

Measles is one of the contagious human diseases,it has been around decades and we all survived it,why the sudden scare mongering

Here we go again. Poison pushing

Ah Facebook - that highly accurate source of information and scientific publications... oh wait..

BTW - we weren't fine - wander around any early 20th centuary graveyard and look at the amount of child graves.

Just search measles on FB, find an article and look at the comments
autism
sheep
we had measles and we were fine
not injected that crap

You can have it separately if you pay for it. There’s no medical evidence that there is any benefit to this. In fact it’s unpleasant for the child having 3 separate vaccinations (x2 so 6 in total) and uses unnecessary nurse appointments.

Adult experiences also differ from your husband’s one example. The greater education and guidance should have come from your “highly experienced” doctor, who should have also told you that it was simply his opinion and that this is a very rare occurrence. In your single circumstance it’s obvious that knowing there was a reaction, as a precaution the situation should be avoided. This does not then give causation to question the millions of vaccines which are given safely to children all around the world, something which has been scientifically proven not to have adverse affects except in very rare situations.

I didn't say they weren't. Having read the article I posted and the linked research, I suspect that they're not sending a leaflet with information at an appropriate reading level to the correct address, in a timely fashion, and then making there be a reasonable choice of appointments in accessible places for parents (well, mums) to book around work.

Of course the information is there if you're looking for it.

I have several chronic health conditions and I feel like I've got a part time job trying to keep on top of them there are so many barriers in the way. And I've got money, education and no new born!

To the people questioning the number given at once. Are you aware that one of the baby imms given is a 6 in 1 vaccine? This is given at the same time as the men B vaccine. Less people seem to have an issue with this than the MMR for some reason…

If a baby’s immune system is so poorly developed, how do you think it will cope with a dose of whooping cough? Or meningitis?

I agree with this. I know two parents who refused the MMR but they then sourced a separate measles vaccine. If the government wants people vaccinated against measles (and rightly so), why don’t they offer a separate vaccine? That would raise the vaccination rate a fair bit, I think. They could even charge a reasonable amount for it.

Does that separate vaccine exist any more?

What questions isn’t science answering regarding vaccines?

It’s a direct result of Covid

@Needlenardlenoo Why did you say the NHS isn't providing information?

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/why-vaccination-is-important-and-the-safest-way-to-protect-yourself/

For goodness sake! They do! Clear, concise text. Further links to more information. Information on possible side effects.

Eldest two had MMR but it got complicated with my youngest two.
DS has multiple severe anaphylaxis allergies so medically advised not to give MMR. DD very severe failure to thrive then under oncology for benign bone tumours, again advised NOT to vaccinate by her hospital Drs. DD caught measles and was very ill. She souped the virus up and gave it her dad, he was so ill in negative pressure isolation not sure how he lived he was that ill and has been left with permeant damage.
DS then campaigned to be allowed to have vaccines even if he had to stay in hospital all day just in case he had a severe reaction.
Concur with others making the point some kids need the rest of the population to have vaccines as they medically cannot.

I’d have been furious if one of my DC caught measles when they were too young to be vaccinated- in fact this happened to me, caught measles at 11 months from an unvaccinated older child.
Usually I would be against restricting nursery places for unvaccinated children, and think it can sometimes have the opposite effect because people don’t like being forced into things, but with the rates being so appalling in parts of the country it may be time to consider it.

I stand corrected [so edited my previous post]: vaccines in phase 3 do get through double blind study
https://historyofvaccines.org/vaccines-101/how-are-vaccines-made/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

There is a choice. Single jabs are available you just need to pay for them which they clearly don’t want to do.

Your memory of this is faulty. As soon as it became publicised that one person had died from a lung clot (later discovered there was an underlying health issue), the NHS stopped using the AZ vaccine for a short while. When it came back in use, it was not given to groups of people who were deemed vulnerable to this incredibly tiny risk. AZ’s product information had been updated to include a warning in April 2021, just a couple of months after the vaccine rollout began in the U.K. They didn’t refuse to believe any cases were possible, they refused to believe it caused TTS “at a generic level”. That position hasn’t changed. Indeed there are more cases recorded in people who have not had the vaccine than who have. The number of people who experience TTS is not higher than it was pre vaccination. If there is a causal link, it has never been found.

It didn’t take the legal system to get them to admit anything. It took the legal system for people to raise a claim for compensation, which is absolutely how it should be. You can’t just rock up to a company and demand compensation, it needs to go to court. The case hasn’t been concluded as far as I can see, so until we know the judgment, taking one line, misreported from what will no doubt be thousands of pages of evidence in order to decide there is some kind of cover up happening, is quite unreasonable.

I think the "red book" has now gone online? I have a paper one from 12 years ago. I'm going to look at it later to see what it says about vaccines.

Vaccination as a principle as been in use since the 12th Century with evidence that people used variation (exposure against smallpox) in China and the Middle-East. Not actually that new.