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Rethinking decline: why blaming migrants might miss the point

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Hearingelem · 12/07/2025 09:58

Hi all,
I've been mulling over some unsettling trends in the UK and wanted to hear your thoughts—particularly those of us noticing fewer kids around and schools closing.
First, I’m not blaming migrants—they’re filling gaps we’ve created. But it hit me: if people who’ve lived here for generations aren’t having children, who is keeping our society going? It’s like watching your family line slowly fade.
Here’s the gist:

  • Fewer families are having children, or delaying them until their 30s or beyond.
  • Abortions are up—almost 30% of pregnancies end in abortion now.
  • Primary schools are shutting or merging due to low pupil numbers.
  • Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of migrants are arriving each year, and tens of thousands of British-born people are leaving.
It got me thinking: if we plant seeds everywhere but only the ones in the right environment grow, shouldn’t we rethink that environment—rather than blaming the plants? 🚨 Shocking stats at a glance:
  • 29.7% of all conceptions in England & Wales ended in legal abortion in 2022—nearly 3 in 10 pregnancies—and up from 20.8% in 2012 (Sky News, The Guardian, Office for National Statistics).
  • That’s 247,703 conceptions aborted in 2022—a 13% increase from 2021 (Office for National Statistics).
  • Migrant inflows: ~1.2 million long-term arrivals in year to June 2024; 728,000 net migration (arrivals minus departures) (Full Fact).
  • Emigration: 479,000 people left in that same period—including a sizeable number of British nationals (Full Fact).
I’m not here to stir division. I want people—especially those quick to blame migrants—to look in the mirror: if our birth environment is failing us, aren't we partly responsible? Let’s talk solutions: Affordable housing, gig‑free childcare, pay transparency, flexible working, serious sex-ed and contraception access… what would help you feel like having kids here and now? Curious to hear your views—especially if this hits home for you. Sources: ONS conception stats (2022) & abortion trends: [ONS Conception Bulletin] ONS net migration & emigration data: [ONS Immigration Statistics]
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Hearingelem · 13/07/2025 12:44

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Rethinking decline: why blaming migrants might miss the point
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Hearingelem · 13/07/2025 12:43

Abortion stats are true
3 out of 10 pregnancy’s are leading to abortion and it is mostly white women.

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/abortion-figures-pregnancy-termination-record-ons-b2785674.html

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Octavia64 · 13/07/2025 11:36

Where I live they are opening new schools as lots of people are moving here and many new housing estates.

i’m not surprised schools in London are losing children it’s insanely expensive.

Summerhillsquare · 13/07/2025 11:29

It's almost like socialism is the answer.

Oasisafan · 13/07/2025 11:17

One of the most basic needs is housing. Supply and demand pushing up prices and the average family can barely afford to rent never mind buy. It wasn’t as bad 10 years ago. People can’t be having 3/4 children these days as they simply can’t afford to.

Ddakji · 13/07/2025 11:17

You have completely ignored one huge factor - automation. Which is much more likely to lose people their jobs than immigration.

I’m also not sure your stats on abortion are correct - where did you get that figure from?

BlueyNeedsToFuckOff · 13/07/2025 11:15

Abortions are up—almost 30% of pregnancies end in abortion now.

Well, that’s bollocks for one thing, at least in the UK. Latest stats from a government source are just over 2%. Can’t be bothered to engage with the rest - very lazy posting to just use ChatGPT.

Hain72 · 13/07/2025 11:10

The reality is that once it requires 2 incomes to run a household then birth rates will fall.

belladeli · 13/07/2025 11:00

I don't think any country has reversed falling birth rates because once they drop something shifts in society.

But we are going to have to be more accepting of more immigration or pay a lot more tax & likely both because of the aging population. I think moving away from capitalism is unlikely.

belladeli · 13/07/2025 10:58

The school closures & merges in London are actually quite shocking & the government seem to be have taken by surprise by how fast birth rates have dropped.

It's bad for all schools as funding is based on headcounts.

Hearingelem · 13/07/2025 10:55

That is what I’m seeing here as well.

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tanoshi · 12/07/2025 20:58

Japan is setting the trend.

60% sexless
Birth rate declining
Immigration increasing.

Reasons

Young people don't need relationships.

They work long hours.
Eat take aways or have food delivered.
Hooked on anime or mange
Chatgpt for conversation
Ai
Gaming
JAV for sexual fulfilment

Neweverything25 · 12/07/2025 20:29

Your post makes no sense, you are mixing apples and pears.

Hearingelem · 12/07/2025 20:24

Bump

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Twattergy · 12/07/2025 10:00

Yet more chatgpt posts