To think the school were neglectful?

I appreciate and understand she wasn’t there but surely she would have spoken to her before the trip as in ‘here’s your hat, I’ve put extra water in your bag - make sure you drink it.’

As I said, you’ve clearly never worked in a school. It’s very obvious which posters haven’t.

Oh and @frogshead(who has seemingly disappeared - what a shocker), hasn’t come back to answer any questions.
As with countless bloody posts on this forum …. light the touch paper and watch it burn ….

If you don't understand how teachers have SO much more to do than stare at eight year old children to check that they have followed basic instructions to "drink your water", then you should probably stop commenting.

She also said 'so if someone else is going to I expect them to make sure she’s safe'

That's fair enough really isn't it?

Thanks, doctor. Glad you're here.

Once again, not 'forcing it down her' isn't the point.

If they were aware that a child hadn't had a drink or worn a hat in a heatwave and they didn't mention it they're also accountable.

Says who? The fact that OP's daughter didn't drink anything or wear a hat... and now is unwell.

If staff were aware of that and didn't relay that info to a parent after a 40-minute walk in a heatwave, that's a problem.

If they weren't aware of it, that's a problem.

It doesn't take much effort to clock that a kid doesn't have their hat on. It takes a little more effort, but not rocket science, to make sure you see kids drinking when you stop for a break in a heatwave.

How on earth could you possibly know that? Nothing the op says suggests that at all. Its more likely she was repeatedly asked and chose not to. We can't know either way.

But she said “I wouldn’t have walked 40 minutes there and back in the heat”. If she thought that was a poor decision she should have kept her at home.

Again, they can't force it down her. She made the choice not drink. She'll be fine, she doesn't have symptoms of dehydration or heat stroke, sounds like she has a bug. This is all a lot of drama over not very much at all.

I very much doubt the permission slip said 'no one will be paying attention', please sign here...

That's a illogical thing to say. Why on earth would she keep her home when she knew adults were going to be there who were responsible for keeping her safe in a heatwave?

You could say 'you could have kept her at home' after any accident/illness/adverse event. Sure, it would have prevented the thing from happening, but then nobody would ever leave the house.

Says who? Where does it say that the staff weren’t aware? On the say so of an 8 year old?
As previously stated countless times …. the children would have been told to drink plenty, put their hats on and reapply sunscreen if they need to.
And again, as previously stated, were the staff supposed to line the children up at regular intervals and do an inspection of hats and physically watch each child drinking???!!!!
You’ve clearly never worked in a school!

Why would she? She was going on a school trip with supposedly competent adults. Why would OP preemptively assume that they wouldn't keep an eye on things? That can only be known after the fact.

Did YOU tell her to wear her hat and drink plenty?

OP wasn't there, the adults on the trip were. They were the ones who missed it.

to be talking to your daughter about why she didn't have a drink (too busy talking, looking at things, doing activities maybe?)

Just the same as the adults need talking to about why they didn't notice.

I agree, my dc school let them out in the heat for 10 minutes at playtime then brought them inside to do crafts as it was too hot for even the TAs supervising to be stood outside. They gave the children lots of encouragement to drink water through the day and no one came home from school with heatstroke because the adults kept them safe. Classes of 8 year olds have a mix of sensible children and children who would stay out in the sun with no shade or water until they had heat exhaustion. That's why children need adults to be their pre frontal cortex and make the safety decisions.

They weren't aware of it though. That's the whole point. They weren't aware that a child in their care wasn't wearing a hat, and they weren't aware that they hadn't had a drink on a 40-minute walk in a heatwave.

They weren't aware.

It doesn't matter if you think the child was old enough, it doesn't matter that you think they should have known better, it doesn't matter that they were 'reminded' every 5 minutes, the staff in charge of the children's wellbeing were oblivious to the fact that a child in their care wasn't doing it. That's poor.

Did you not know the details of the trip before hand? Surely you already knew where they were going and how they were getting there? Why did you not raise any objection to having to walk 40 minutes each way? And why did you not tell your DD to make sure she drinks enough, or ask a teacher to please remind her? Or something to ensure she remained safe on this walk you must have known about?

Unless there's a drip feed coming up about you not being told they were walking - which I doubt, then I'm afraid the responsibility lies with you and your DD.

And for what it's worth, 40 minutes isn't that long. Some children walk that to school daily.

I agree with you. Eight is still young, too young to fully understand consequences. Just because she know she should do something, doesn’t mean she understands the risks from dehydration! Some people on mums net are just plain stupid!

I would be cross, and I’d let them know. They are quick enough to berate parents for sending them to school with anything resembling like something fun to eat, absences that aren’t evidenced by a doctor! I would say it was negligent to be fair. Who lets a kid of any age walk for 40 minutes without a hat, or makes sure they’ve had a drink. My nearly 19 year old went out sunbathing to a park with a friend yesterday, I still reminded her about sunscreen and a hat, which she wasn’t originally going to take. We all need reminding of things sometimes!

You t have signed a permission slip and hence must have known the plan for the day. If you felt strongly about it, why didn't you revoke your consent?

Really if teachers plus ta plus volunteering parents can't manage to get children to drink some water on a very hot day. When the outcome is heatstroke. Then thats a even bigger worry .

That was exactly my thought. Perhaps they had jugs of water/squash and paper cups at the museum, and gave all the children some. Or perhaps another child who had a more "attractive" drink, e.g. squash, shared with OP's daughter (and she doesn’t want to tell her mum that).

How many classes are 6-10 children? We have 32!

In school there is often no stopping children wanting a drink and getting up to grab one, especially when it comes to actually doing their work with many congregating around the drinks bottles. I think they made a choice on not drinking (I have one child that will drink loads and another who is like a camel and barely drinks anything) maybe you need to be talking to your daughter about why she didn't have a drink (too busy talking, looking at things, doing activities maybe?)

Quite easy with the right voice tone