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To think the school were neglectful?

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frogshead · 12/07/2025 09:21

Dd (8) went on a school trip yesterday in a heat wave, 40 minutes each way walking to and from a museum.

I sent dd with 2 bottles of water and she didn’t drink either of them and a hat which she didn’t wear.
She arrived home with a headache and has had diarrhoea since.

I know this was partly down to her but she is juts a child and nobody encouraged her to wear her hat or drink anything all day.
I applied sun cream before she went so at least she had that.

OP posts:
Somethingsnapped · 12/07/2025 12:14

I do actually think it's worth bringing it up with the school. Not in a blamey way, but just to let them know. If parents don't tell the school, then the school won't have the full picture/knowledge about these kinds of activities in the heat and if any kids have been adversely affected, and thus won't be able to make proper informed decisions so easily in the future. You can tell them you're using it as a learning opportunity for your daughter, but feel they ought to know this happened.

While I agree with pp that an 8 year old should be taking some responsibility, the truth is, they are still very young and often do need extra input.

This happened to my 11 year old actually. Same... Nearly an hour of walking each way in the heat. She did drink and did wear a hat, but still had unpleasant heat effects, same as your daughter. I didn't mention it to the school (this happened last heatwave in over 30 degrees heat), but kind of wish I had told them, just so they know.

ParmaVioletTea · 12/07/2025 12:12

MerylSqueak · 12/07/2025 11:49

I am so looking forward to our school trip next week, where I'll work an extra six hours for nothing and spend my time trying to convince kids to do obviously sensible things they need to do to avoid becoming ill.

Flowers Flowers
I hope your pupils' parents are more grateful - and sensible - than the OP.

BlackeyedSusan · 12/07/2025 12:11

Our kids secondary school made sure kids had water on trips. HoH insisted my kid took an extra bottle of water school provided despite them being sent with multiple bottles already.

ParmaVioletTea · 12/07/2025 12:09

frogshead · 12/07/2025 09:27

I wouldn’t have taken my daughter on a 40 minute each way walk in this heat yesterday so if someone else is going to I expect them to make sure she’s safe.
If I’d been with her I’d have made sure she was.

How many teachers to how many children?

Was your DD thirsty and hot? Why didn't she work out for herself to drink water & wear her hat?

Did you put her hat on her head and remind her to sip water when you dropped her off? Does she usually disobey your common sense directions?

Why didn't you or your DD's other parent volunteer to help on the outing?

Do you know that the teacher didn't say to all the children "Hats on, sip water" ?

YABU - the school were not neglectful - your DD needs to develop some common sense. And you need to be clear with her - next time she's hot & thirsty, drink her water.

Jojimoji · 12/07/2025 12:09

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:47

No suggestions from those who think the school should have done more to suggest what the school should have done beyond what the school would have been doing anyway!

I think they should have done more. I think they should have stopped regularly and watched the children drinking, to make sure it was done. Not 'reminders' and then assuming all the kids were doing it ad hoc. I also think they should have been aware of who had a hat on or not.

Yesterday was exceptional - sun safety should have been a massive priority, even if it might not normally be. The adults should have been on tip of this -- and quite clearly they were not.

" They should have stopped regularly and watched the children drinking"

One by one?
Checked that they actually swallowed?
Counted how many millilitres each child consumed?
Temperature tested their water?
Wiped their mouths dry afterwards?

Am I being facetious? Yes, but only partly, because all of that will come next if we are ever more accepting of the unprecedented learned helplessness we are seeing on a daily basis.

rainbowstardrops · 12/07/2025 12:08

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:30

Unfortunately, making sure kids are safe in extreme temperatures is absolutely part of the job. Citing other stressful things doesn't negate that requirement.

It doesn't matter whether you think 8-year-olds should be doing x y or z - you have to be aware when they're not.

And you have no idea if the staff did indeed try to push the fluids but this child didn’t for whatever reason. Are the school staff supposed to line the kids up and walk up and down watching them drink?
No. they’re junior school kids. Reminders should be enough.
Oh and as others have said, how does the OP know any of this? Just on the say so of her daughter.

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/07/2025 12:06

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect school to enforce sun hats.

They can’t force children to drink, though. Why didn’t she, did she tell you?

TheMeasure · 12/07/2025 12:03

ThejoyofNC · 12/07/2025 12:01

I'd be interested to know if all of the other 8 year olds managed to drink just fine.

Actually, that's a very good point.
Presumably, if the staff didn't remind everyone to drink plenty and wear their hats, then loads of other kids would also be unwell?

Tiredandtiredagain · 12/07/2025 12:02

frogshead · 12/07/2025 09:27

I wouldn’t have taken my daughter on a 40 minute each way walk in this heat yesterday so if someone else is going to I expect them to make sure she’s safe.
If I’d been with her I’d have made sure she was.

Would you have made sure the other 30 were given one to one treatment as well?

I am sure they would’ve been told to wear hats and drink, just like they would say use the toilets. Have you asked your DD why she didn’t?

How unsafe was your daughter?

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 12:01

Nametobechanged · 12/07/2025 12:00

The fact that a child wore no hat and drink little drink. I’ve been a parent volunteer on countless trips. Each adult it responsible for 7/8 kids usually. Even the “naughtier” kids do what they’re told at 8.

If you say so.

TheMeasure · 12/07/2025 12:01

By the way, big thanks to all the sensible parents on here who acknowledge and appreciate that school staff DO take care of their kids.

ThejoyofNC · 12/07/2025 12:01

I'd be interested to know if all of the other 8 year olds managed to drink just fine.

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 12:00

Also, she's unlikely to be suffering from dehydration or heat stroke so it's pretty irrelevant.

Nametobechanged · 12/07/2025 12:00

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 11:53

What makes you think they didn't?

The fact that a child wore no hat and drink little drink. I’ve been a parent volunteer on countless trips. Each adult it responsible for 7/8 kids usually. Even the “naughtier” kids do what they’re told at 8.

TheMeasure · 12/07/2025 11:59

And it was probably preferable to walk in the fresh air (and if they went in the morning it wouldn't have been so hot at that point) than to sit in an unbearably hot and stuffy classroom with no air-con and windows that only open three inches (health & safety - in case anyone jumps out from the ground floor).
And there still would have been children who didn't drink at regular intervals back in school.
Fuck it, go in and complain about that too.
I need a holiday.

Oioisavaloy27 · 12/07/2025 11:59

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:56

The fact that OP's daughter didn't wear her hat or drink anything all day...

Once again, 'reminders' are not enough. Quite evidently. And especially in a heatwave like yesterday. That changes the norms - and adults should be on top of the risks even more.

And if the child refused? Which some do believe it or believe it not what do you want them to do pin her down and put it on her?

Spies · 12/07/2025 11:59

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:56

The fact that OP's daughter didn't wear her hat or drink anything all day...

Once again, 'reminders' are not enough. Quite evidently. And especially in a heatwave like yesterday. That changes the norms - and adults should be on top of the risks even more.

How do you know she didn't wear a hat or drink though?

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 11:58

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:56

The fact that OP's daughter didn't wear her hat or drink anything all day...

Once again, 'reminders' are not enough. Quite evidently. And especially in a heatwave like yesterday. That changes the norms - and adults should be on top of the risks even more.

What did you want them to do, pour it down her neck? Absolute nonsense. Ops dd just needs to do as she's told.

Oioisavaloy27 · 12/07/2025 11:57

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:54

I expect she was. It doesn't matter if they were reminded, if no one noticed they weren't doing it that's negligence.

They can't force the child to drink

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:56

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 11:53

What makes you think they didn't?

The fact that OP's daughter didn't wear her hat or drink anything all day...

Once again, 'reminders' are not enough. Quite evidently. And especially in a heatwave like yesterday. That changes the norms - and adults should be on top of the risks even more.

Aldiisnodifferenttowaitrose · 12/07/2025 11:55

frogshead · 12/07/2025 09:40

The museum is free and there was no coach fee as they walked. They wouldn’t have lost anything by not going.

So you'd rather an entire class of kids missed out entirely because you baby your child so she can't even decide when to drink for herself?

Just because it was free and no coach involved doesn't mean it's possible to rearrange it when there's only one week left of school.

Not everything is about you and your child.

TheMeasure · 12/07/2025 11:54

Nametobechanged · 12/07/2025 11:51

I think teachers should have insisted on hat wearing and reminded kids to drink. Sure they can’t force them to drink but it’s not hard to say remember to drink every time they needed a drink themselves

No, it's not hard and THAT IS WHY THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO.

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 11:54

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:54

I expect she was. It doesn't matter if they were reminded, if no one noticed they weren't doing it that's negligence.

Nope again.

Hopoitygp · 12/07/2025 11:54

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 11:48

Nothing clear about it. I expect she was repeatedly told to wear her hat and to drink.

I expect she was. It doesn't matter if they were reminded, if no one noticed they weren't doing it that's negligence.

Jumpthewaves · 12/07/2025 11:53

Nametobechanged · 12/07/2025 11:51

I think teachers should have insisted on hat wearing and reminded kids to drink. Sure they can’t force them to drink but it’s not hard to say remember to drink every time they needed a drink themselves

What makes you think they didn't?

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