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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 19:35

I love my SIL . We grew up together. Her and my brother have 2 sons with autism. One hasn't been back to school since Covid and they can't get him out of his room really, he's nocturnal etc. Very difficult to get help for him too due to system failures. Youngest is currently in y9, attending 50% ish
I'm a teacher, previously in SEND , now in a mainstream core subject.
My SIL is struggling and as time goes on, it's clear she is autistic also.
The problem I've got is she regularly slags off everything to do with school. Even perfectly normal things are met with "well that's fucking stupid"
The problem is, I'm often involved in similar things at my school. A recent example would be the year 8 reward disco. In order to attend, students had to have had no demerits for poor behaviour, this is part of our behaviour improvement plan and has been working well.
My problem is not what she thinks , she can think whatever, and her personal circumstances mean she is more angry obviously. However she gives NO thought to how I might feel having my job picked apart and criticised all the time. It doesn't help that I'm tired and peri menopausal but it's really upsetting me. How can I broach it?

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thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 21:45

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:41

It was just an example of something that might come up
Family updates often are mainly catch ups about the boys at the mo

No. You don’t even bring that up. You are more or less telling her you support a system that would banish her kids from a treat because they can’t behave like a NT child.

Know your audience.

echt · 11/07/2025 21:43

Don't comment on anything she says about schooling on the family chat. Say nothing.

You can't change her.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:41

Sirzy · 11/07/2025 21:39

Why does the trip policy of your school come up in family updates?

It was just an example of something that might come up
Family updates often are mainly catch ups about the boys at the mo

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:39

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 21:31

It would probably be similar to a police officer constantly hearing their family moan about the police. It would be tough

But why would it be unless their skin is so thin they're in danger of dissolving in the shower?

The police affects everyone, therefore everyone is entitled to have a moan.

They don't need to tiptoe round anyone just because they've chosen to earn a living from it.

Everyone is entitled to have a moan but to be the person who has to sit there every week is uncomfortable and wearing

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Sirzy · 11/07/2025 21:39

Why does the trip policy of your school come up in family updates?

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:37

foreverand · 11/07/2025 21:33

So why are you so upset that she’s pointed this out and is upset and angry that it’s failed and harmed her children?

Because of the frequency and the fact that I become the figurehead for the whole system

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:36

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 21:29

The thing is, she is not angry at you, she is angry at a crap system that has let her kids down. Why on earth would you even be discussing the policy of "badly behaved" kids not being allowed go to the disco? Surely you know that is going to rile her up. It does seem like you do support the system from the way you write. If she found out about it another way, would it not be kinder to say, yes, I know that is a crap way of doing it and it's not fair on some children but my hands are tied but I do totally understand where you are coming from.

If you don't have a ND child you will never understand how utterly soul destroying it is to see your child punished time and time again for something they cannot control. I feel her anger. I understand it, maybe you should put yourself in her shoes and see how you would feel if your kid came in from school crying because "they were not good enough" to go on the trip. It's soul destroying.

She knows you don't make the rules but it does seem like you do support them.

I think that schools have to do things that are never perfect for everyone, but also bear in mind I have only used the disco as an example. I don't rile her up, these are just things that come up in family updates etc. As I've said many times, it's not really a out school specifics , just the frequency of it and how my feelings at the end of a long week are never even considered

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foreverand · 11/07/2025 21:33

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:14

I have said the system is broken In a pp

So why are you so upset that she’s pointed this out and is upset and angry that it’s failed and harmed her children?

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 21:31

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 20:58

Your posts to me feel too harsh and not indicative of my career history at all. Thank you for your input and I do get that it's hard for me to put nuance and full story on a short Internet forum entry. This is really a family matter rather than a specific school or education system one. It would probably be similar to a police officer constantly hearing their family moan about the police. It would be tough

It would probably be similar to a police officer constantly hearing their family moan about the police. It would be tough

But why would it be unless their skin is so thin they're in danger of dissolving in the shower?

The police affects everyone, therefore everyone is entitled to have a moan.

They don't need to tiptoe round anyone just because they've chosen to earn a living from it.

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 21:29

The thing is, she is not angry at you, she is angry at a crap system that has let her kids down. Why on earth would you even be discussing the policy of "badly behaved" kids not being allowed go to the disco? Surely you know that is going to rile her up. It does seem like you do support the system from the way you write. If she found out about it another way, would it not be kinder to say, yes, I know that is a crap way of doing it and it's not fair on some children but my hands are tied but I do totally understand where you are coming from.

If you don't have a ND child you will never understand how utterly soul destroying it is to see your child punished time and time again for something they cannot control. I feel her anger. I understand it, maybe you should put yourself in her shoes and see how you would feel if your kid came in from school crying because "they were not good enough" to go on the trip. It's soul destroying.

She knows you don't make the rules but it does seem like you do support them.

UncharteredWaters · 11/07/2025 21:25

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 20:04

I really do love her dearly. And I can also see that school doesn't work for some children and I know that the support for those children has dwindled significantly.
I think what hurts is that she NEVER connects that I am one of the "fucking idiots" she's talking about.

‘Am I also one of those fucking idiots’

and she’ll either fluff an answer, realise she’s rude or get angry with a ‘well obviously not you’

Jellycatspyjamas · 11/07/2025 21:21

JLou08 · 11/07/2025 21:09

I think it might help if you accept that schools do make many mistakes and are failing many children. The example you give is a perfect example of how schools penalise children who don't fit in the little box schools want them to fit in.
I'm a social worker so I'm also in a profession that gets a lot of criticism and I used to get quite upset with it as I knew me and my colleagues were working so hard. However, I am working in a broken system and working with people is very complex so there is no quick fixes. As soon as I started to admit to myself that mistakes are made in my profession and was able to reflect and realise I have also made mistakes it was easier to hear the criticism of the profession. I actually find it really useful to engage in conversations about it and think about how things could be better.

I was going to say the same thing. I too am a social worker and I know how hard my colleagues work in a very broken system. Not helped by often facing criticism from people with very little understanding of the profession, the complexities and constraints on what we’re able to do.

People criticise from their own viewpoint. It’s not personal and it’s not my job to represent a whole profession. There are good and bad social workers, good and bad practice and good and bad practice settings. Accepting an imperfect situation helps to make it feel less personal.

Your sisters children will be impacted by their school experience, it will impact their choices and chances in life. Her viewpoint is that they have been let down by the education system, including the teaching profession. All you can do is empathise with her and remind yourself it’s not personal.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:19

saraclara · 11/07/2025 21:10

Your SIL is autistic. She's under massive stress. School isn't working for her kids and she wants it to. You're expecting to much of her. I doubt that she can see anything school related, objectively

I'm a retired teacher and I found it hugely dispiriting to constantly be complained about by the general public, who thought they could do my job better, despite not having a clue about what it actually entailed. So I absolutely get how hard it must be to get the same thing happening in your family life.

But I doubt she can help herself. I'd just respond with either 'you must find that frustrating' or 'I'm a teacher. I do the best I can every day'.

This is really moderate advice and understanding thank you

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:17

WholesaleNoodleBuyer · 11/07/2025 21:13

When you have an autistic child it can be very difficult to stay positive about school, because lots of stuff that schools do as standard hurt autistic kids.

No demerits to attend a school disco is cruel for children who are disregulated by the school environment alone, before any of the other school day stressors occur. It may be a starting point but there should be reasonable adjustments in place to offer an equal playing field, otherwise it’s just more shit that harms them.

Yeah the disco was just one example, but there are multiple.
I know the systems aren't perfect for every kid, I just wanted to get help how to broach not having family discussions constantly criticising the thing I spend 5 days a week doing which is already quite high pressured

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:14

JLou08 · 11/07/2025 21:09

I think it might help if you accept that schools do make many mistakes and are failing many children. The example you give is a perfect example of how schools penalise children who don't fit in the little box schools want them to fit in.
I'm a social worker so I'm also in a profession that gets a lot of criticism and I used to get quite upset with it as I knew me and my colleagues were working so hard. However, I am working in a broken system and working with people is very complex so there is no quick fixes. As soon as I started to admit to myself that mistakes are made in my profession and was able to reflect and realise I have also made mistakes it was easier to hear the criticism of the profession. I actually find it really useful to engage in conversations about it and think about how things could be better.

I have said the system is broken In a pp

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WholesaleNoodleBuyer · 11/07/2025 21:13

When you have an autistic child it can be very difficult to stay positive about school, because lots of stuff that schools do as standard hurt autistic kids.

No demerits to attend a school disco is cruel for children who are disregulated by the school environment alone, before any of the other school day stressors occur. It may be a starting point but there should be reasonable adjustments in place to offer an equal playing field, otherwise it’s just more shit that harms them.

saraclara · 11/07/2025 21:10

Your SIL is autistic. She's under massive stress. School isn't working for her kids and she wants it to. You're expecting to much of her. I doubt that she can see anything school related, objectively

I'm a retired teacher and I found it hugely dispiriting to constantly be complained about by the general public, who thought they could do my job better, despite not having a clue about what it actually entailed. So I absolutely get how hard it must be to get the same thing happening in your family life.

But I doubt she can help herself. I'd just respond with either 'you must find that frustrating' or 'I'm a teacher. I do the best I can every day'.

JLou08 · 11/07/2025 21:09

I think it might help if you accept that schools do make many mistakes and are failing many children. The example you give is a perfect example of how schools penalise children who don't fit in the little box schools want them to fit in.
I'm a social worker so I'm also in a profession that gets a lot of criticism and I used to get quite upset with it as I knew me and my colleagues were working so hard. However, I am working in a broken system and working with people is very complex so there is no quick fixes. As soon as I started to admit to myself that mistakes are made in my profession and was able to reflect and realise I have also made mistakes it was easier to hear the criticism of the profession. I actually find it really useful to engage in conversations about it and think about how things could be better.

foreverand · 11/07/2025 21:05

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:01

It's a very specific step in our school which is recovering from a very poor ofsted/behaviour/safeguarding etc

It has helped to.improve behaviour generally and to change the ethos of the school. (Prevoiusly students were frightened to come to school as behaviour was not managed well)
Now we have had a zero tolerance poor behaviour system. Not perfect but part of our improvement plan with school improvement partner

so what about the kids like my dsd? I guarantee there are children in your school struggling and going through traumatic situations causing them to misbehave even if you don’t know about it.

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 21:04

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:01

It's a very specific step in our school which is recovering from a very poor ofsted/behaviour/safeguarding etc

It has helped to.improve behaviour generally and to change the ethos of the school. (Prevoiusly students were frightened to come to school as behaviour was not managed well)
Now we have had a zero tolerance poor behaviour system. Not perfect but part of our improvement plan with school improvement partner

It sounds like you support this. Surely you can see that some kids will not be able to adhere to this because they are ND, so they are literally excluded for something they cannot help. That is a shit system.

foreverand · 11/07/2025 21:02

Oneborneverydecade · 11/07/2025 20:46

Ofc she's not going to defend that, but as one person how much control do you think she has over school policies?
I can imagine the OP is very sympathetic but over time being indirectly criticised would tire any of us out

but It’s the same system. Who knows what’s going on for the kids at ops school who got a demerit and now can’t go to the reward disco. If op didn’t set the system up and can’t control it then she isn’t being criticised, sil is criticising the unfair policy and she’s right.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:01

foreverand · 11/07/2025 20:56

But it’s the exact same system your Sil criticised and you’ve defended? Anyone with a behavioural point didn't get the special treat, who does that help?

It's a very specific step in our school which is recovering from a very poor ofsted/behaviour/safeguarding etc

It has helped to.improve behaviour generally and to change the ethos of the school. (Prevoiusly students were frightened to come to school as behaviour was not managed well)
Now we have had a zero tolerance poor behaviour system. Not perfect but part of our improvement plan with school improvement partner

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Marmalady75 · 11/07/2025 20:59

OP I hear you. I think a lot of people are missing the point. She is criticising the system you are part of without any concern for your feelings. The constant bashing would upset me too.
it would be like if you were a police officer and someone criticising the whole force because theee are some laws they don’t like. The police don’t have control over what laws are put in place, but they do have to uphold them.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 20:58

Sirzy · 11/07/2025 20:54

You have shown you believe that punishing children for things out of their control is right. That should never be a starting point and a system that doesn’t look at children as individuals is setting many up to fail.

as someone who works in school use the lived experience of people you say you care for to help change things for others rather than sitting back and taking offence they don’t like things.

Your posts to me feel too harsh and not indicative of my career history at all. Thank you for your input and I do get that it's hard for me to put nuance and full story on a short Internet forum entry. This is really a family matter rather than a specific school or education system one. It would probably be similar to a police officer constantly hearing their family moan about the police. It would be tough

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foreverand · 11/07/2025 20:56

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 20:50

Good lord. Nope. Never once have I said I would defend that.
What happened to you is terrible, but I don't need to be told to go and learn how to better support.
I totally get your anger and hers but I cant be the whipping boy (none of my family are teachers )

But it’s the exact same system your Sil criticised and you’ve defended? Anyone with a behavioural point didn't get the special treat, who does that help?