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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 19:35

I love my SIL . We grew up together. Her and my brother have 2 sons with autism. One hasn't been back to school since Covid and they can't get him out of his room really, he's nocturnal etc. Very difficult to get help for him too due to system failures. Youngest is currently in y9, attending 50% ish
I'm a teacher, previously in SEND , now in a mainstream core subject.
My SIL is struggling and as time goes on, it's clear she is autistic also.
The problem I've got is she regularly slags off everything to do with school. Even perfectly normal things are met with "well that's fucking stupid"
The problem is, I'm often involved in similar things at my school. A recent example would be the year 8 reward disco. In order to attend, students had to have had no demerits for poor behaviour, this is part of our behaviour improvement plan and has been working well.
My problem is not what she thinks , she can think whatever, and her personal circumstances mean she is more angry obviously. However she gives NO thought to how I might feel having my job picked apart and criticised all the time. It doesn't help that I'm tired and peri menopausal but it's really upsetting me. How can I broach it?

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:09

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 11/07/2025 22:08

But have you actually told her clearly that it upsets you/ hurts your feelings Sometimes? Is she actually saying all teachers are shit , or her children’s teachers are , or that the system is shit/stupid?

Probably not clearly enough. I can definitely work on this!
Thanks for the advice

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foreverand · 11/07/2025 22:09

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:39

Everyone is entitled to have a moan but to be the person who has to sit there every week is uncomfortable and wearing

So don’t sit there every week.

how did she even know about the disco policy at your school unless you told her? I honestly don’t get why you wouldn’t be equally unhappy about the system but hurts the most vulnerable and disadvantaged kids but if you agree with it and know she would be upset as it would be unfair to her dc why would you tell her?

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:09

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:07

This is a misrepresentation of how the evenings go.

STOP discussing your school’s policies with her then! Why do you do that?

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 11/07/2025 22:08

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:01

I am supportive. Have been endlessly in fact.
I just wnat a little bit of an understanding that I also have feelings.

But have you actually told her clearly that it upsets you/ hurts your feelings Sometimes? Is she actually saying all teachers are shit , or her children’s teachers are , or that the system is shit/stupid?

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:07

Rinoachicken · 11/07/2025 22:06

In the words of so many these days (usually directed at ND and SEN children who are struggling in school systems that discriminate and punish them for just existing) maybe you need to work on your ‘resilience’ if you can’t hear general valid criticism of a broken system without making it all about you

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Not fair or in keeping with how I've spoken on the thread at all.

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CaramelGhost · 11/07/2025 22:07

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:04

I don't have endless capacity though.

Imagine hers....

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:07

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:05

It’s criticised because it is crap! Totally unfair and crap. Where’s HER soft place to fall when you actively support a system that would exclude her children? Does she feel seen and cared about when you talk about the ridiculous rules in your school that you think are working very well for NT children?

This is a misrepresentation of how the evenings go.

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Rinoachicken · 11/07/2025 22:06

In the words of so many these days (usually directed at ND and SEN children who are struggling in school systems that discriminate and punish them for just existing) maybe you need to work on your ‘resilience’ if you can’t hear general valid criticism of a broken system without making it all about you

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:05

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:00

Because even though I have no say and agree , it's still hard to have it criticised over and over again weekly. Being a teacher is quite hard and emotional, to be with your family and it just being criticised over and over again is hard. A family should be your soft place to fall, where you feel seen and cared about. It doesn't feel like that on a Friday night when I'm tired

It’s criticised because it is crap! Totally unfair and crap. Where’s HER soft place to fall when you actively support a system that would exclude her children? Does she feel seen and cared about when you talk about the ridiculous rules in your school that you think are working very well for NT children?

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:05

Rinoachicken · 11/07/2025 22:04

Because of the frequency and the fact that I become the figurehead for the whole system

She makes your the figurehead? She aims all her comments at your personally and holds you personally responsible for all failing in her own children’s education? In which case yes she is being unreasonable and unfair.

Or she’s talking generally, not directed at you personally - but you are allowing yourself to take it personally and get you down. That’s a you problem, if she’s not directing it at you, she is allowed to express her frustrations and distress - your feelings are not her responsibility.

Its not about YOU - its about what is happening to HER CHILDREN.

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I do understand, but it's also hard

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:04

CaramelGhost · 11/07/2025 22:02

But it isn't about you. She is letting off steam to family, not speaking to you as a professional

I don't have endless capacity though.

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Rinoachicken · 11/07/2025 22:04

Because of the frequency and the fact that I become the figurehead for the whole system

She makes your the figurehead? She aims all her comments at your personally and holds you personally responsible for all failing in her own children’s education? In which case yes she is being unreasonable and unfair.

Or she’s talking generally, not directed at you personally - but you are allowing yourself to take it personally and get you down. That’s a you problem, if she’s not directing it at you, she is allowed to express her frustrations and distress - your feelings are not her responsibility.

Its not about YOU - its about what is happening to HER CHILDREN.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:02

Gardendiary · 11/07/2025 22:01

But if she’s neurodivergent as you suggest, she might genuinely not realise. You probably need to point it out in really straightforward terms if you think it’s worth it. I.e ‘Sarah, I understand why you feel negatively about schools, but as a teacher myself, who works very hard, it upsets me to hear you criticise them all the time’

Thank you, good advice here

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CaramelGhost · 11/07/2025 22:02

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:01

I am supportive. Have been endlessly in fact.
I just wnat a little bit of an understanding that I also have feelings.

But it isn't about you. She is letting off steam to family, not speaking to you as a professional

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:02

Goingawayistricky · 11/07/2025 21:50

The schools I have worked in totally understand that ASD children work differently and wouldn’t give demerits ( or whatever) for the same criteria as NT children.
I’ve worked with many kids where a school disco would be their worst nightmare. Having a good week can still be important to them even without some arbitrary carrot they don’t care about. Smaller more tailored rewards work better and most schools do this I think.

I agree with this , I think.most schools do this

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Gardendiary · 11/07/2025 22:01

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 20:26

It's not really an argument about school it's more that after 35 years of knowing each other , she doesn't realise I might be hurt

But if she’s neurodivergent as you suggest, she might genuinely not realise. You probably need to point it out in really straightforward terms if you think it’s worth it. I.e ‘Sarah, I understand why you feel negatively about schools, but as a teacher myself, who works very hard, it upsets me to hear you criticise them all the time’

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:01

CaramelGhost · 11/07/2025 21:58

Mainstream schools do not work for ND individuals and you're wasting your energy taking this personally. I've been wrapped up in similar and see it for myself and it is excruciating as a parent, to try and navigate schools with ND children that are NOT catered for. Allowances and understanding is minimal, it seems schools work against you, not with you and it is beyond demoralising for children and parents alike. I am astounded that you feel offended with your own background, surely you have the understanding of the education system and see how these children are being let down? It isn't about YOU or your profession but the structure of it all. Just be supportive

I am supportive. Have been endlessly in fact.
I just wnat a little bit of an understanding that I also have feelings.

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:00

Internaut · 11/07/2025 21:54

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that you acknowledge that at least some of her criticisms are justified and, where they relate to policies and practices actually used in your school, your position is that it's nothing to do with you as you can't control what the policies etc are? If that's correct, I don't really understand why you take these things personally. You could simply say, for instance, "Yes, a blanket behaviour policy risks penalising children with disabilities, what are your ideas for how we should deal with this given the need to have reasonable standards of behaviour to enable all the children to learn?"

Because even though I have no say and agree , it's still hard to have it criticised over and over again weekly. Being a teacher is quite hard and emotional, to be with your family and it just being criticised over and over again is hard. A family should be your soft place to fall, where you feel seen and cared about. It doesn't feel like that on a Friday night when I'm tired

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CaramelGhost · 11/07/2025 21:58

Mainstream schools do not work for ND individuals and you're wasting your energy taking this personally. I've been wrapped up in similar and see it for myself and it is excruciating as a parent, to try and navigate schools with ND children that are NOT catered for. Allowances and understanding is minimal, it seems schools work against you, not with you and it is beyond demoralising for children and parents alike. I am astounded that you feel offended with your own background, surely you have the understanding of the education system and see how these children are being let down? It isn't about YOU or your profession but the structure of it all. Just be supportive

Internaut · 11/07/2025 21:54

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 20:25

I'm not defensive with her at all , but equally after a tough week I don't want to go home and be slated.
I can't be held accountable for a system I have no control over either.
Mainstream just can't be all things to all people.
She has a very specific set of shit things that have happened. It's been awful. But I really can't do a full week's teaching with very little joy left and then have to sit and listen to that. It's hard
I'll have to redirect or take myself off for a wee

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears that you acknowledge that at least some of her criticisms are justified and, where they relate to policies and practices actually used in your school, your position is that it's nothing to do with you as you can't control what the policies etc are? If that's correct, I don't really understand why you take these things personally. You could simply say, for instance, "Yes, a blanket behaviour policy risks penalising children with disabilities, what are your ideas for how we should deal with this given the need to have reasonable standards of behaviour to enable all the children to learn?"

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 21:51

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:47

I didn't bring it up, I don't bring stuff up about school, the conversation is always her catching us up on the boys and what's happened that week .

How did it come up then?

Goingawayistricky · 11/07/2025 21:50

WholesaleNoodleBuyer · 11/07/2025 21:13

When you have an autistic child it can be very difficult to stay positive about school, because lots of stuff that schools do as standard hurt autistic kids.

No demerits to attend a school disco is cruel for children who are disregulated by the school environment alone, before any of the other school day stressors occur. It may be a starting point but there should be reasonable adjustments in place to offer an equal playing field, otherwise it’s just more shit that harms them.

The schools I have worked in totally understand that ASD children work differently and wouldn’t give demerits ( or whatever) for the same criteria as NT children.
I’ve worked with many kids where a school disco would be their worst nightmare. Having a good week can still be important to them even without some arbitrary carrot they don’t care about. Smaller more tailored rewards work better and most schools do this I think.

Sunflowersinthesummer · 11/07/2025 21:49

‘Betsy. Teachers like me are normal people who are doing their bloody best, with no time and no resources and no appreciation. They have no work life balance. We can’t get people to stay in the profession because we don’t get paid enough for all the shit that the managers, pupils, general public, and parents criticise us for - it’s relentless and never ending. For my mental health can my conversations / group chat with you be the one safe space where education, schooling, teaching or teachers is not mentioned negatively - I need a safe space. It is making me ill to feel constantly criticised. Most teachers have issues with their health, mental and otherwise and are burnt out. I need this safe space. Thanks

copy and paste on repeat

You have a right not to be trashed constantly about the difficult job you do

stop and no are words in your vocabulary.

put away if needed but say no and put boundaries in first

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:47

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 21:45

No. You don’t even bring that up. You are more or less telling her you support a system that would banish her kids from a treat because they can’t behave like a NT child.

Know your audience.

I didn't bring it up, I don't bring stuff up about school, the conversation is always her catching us up on the boys and what's happened that week .

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 21:46

echt · 11/07/2025 21:43

Don't comment on anything she says about schooling on the family chat. Say nothing.

You can't change her.

Yeah it's in person so I think I will just excuse myself subtly for the bits where that might come up. I can probably busy myself in the kitchen or go off to the loo for a bit/say I need to do an email etc etc

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