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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 19:35

I love my SIL . We grew up together. Her and my brother have 2 sons with autism. One hasn't been back to school since Covid and they can't get him out of his room really, he's nocturnal etc. Very difficult to get help for him too due to system failures. Youngest is currently in y9, attending 50% ish
I'm a teacher, previously in SEND , now in a mainstream core subject.
My SIL is struggling and as time goes on, it's clear she is autistic also.
The problem I've got is she regularly slags off everything to do with school. Even perfectly normal things are met with "well that's fucking stupid"
The problem is, I'm often involved in similar things at my school. A recent example would be the year 8 reward disco. In order to attend, students had to have had no demerits for poor behaviour, this is part of our behaviour improvement plan and has been working well.
My problem is not what she thinks , she can think whatever, and her personal circumstances mean she is more angry obviously. However she gives NO thought to how I might feel having my job picked apart and criticised all the time. It doesn't help that I'm tired and peri menopausal but it's really upsetting me. How can I broach it?

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Dramatic · 11/07/2025 22:52

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:50

Our trip was no demerits allowed for a behaviour incident. So no kit/homework etc didn't count but if you'd been poorly behaved towards staff or other students, you couldn't go.

Yeah that sounds like a good idea too. I know it's probably quite hard to get absolutely no behaviour points but they did have two coaches full of kids so there was a fair few of them who managed it.

godmum56 · 11/07/2025 22:51

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 20:25

I'm not defensive with her at all , but equally after a tough week I don't want to go home and be slated.
I can't be held accountable for a system I have no control over either.
Mainstream just can't be all things to all people.
She has a very specific set of shit things that have happened. It's been awful. But I really can't do a full week's teaching with very little joy left and then have to sit and listen to that. It's hard
I'll have to redirect or take myself off for a wee

Can you tell her that you have enough of work at work and would prefer to talk about something else?

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:51

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 22:47

The way you've explained and discussed the 'situation', comes across as though you think you're someone who must be revered at all costs, because of what you choose to do for a living.

I'd just keep off the subject of work and schooling when you two meet up really.

Edited

Not at all. Nothing I've said has suggested that. I would never think that

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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:50

Dramatic · 11/07/2025 22:46

My daughter's school do a "no behaviour points" trip to a theme park, personally I think it's a great idea, they are motivated to make sure they're not late, make sure all their homework is done and of course to make sure they are well behaved. My daughter is very quiet and gets basically no attention from teachers because she just quietly gets on with things, it's lovely for her to have some recognition for her hard work.

Our trip was no demerits allowed for a behaviour incident. So no kit/homework etc didn't count but if you'd been poorly behaved towards staff or other students, you couldn't go.

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Britneyfan · 11/07/2025 22:49

OP I totally understand where you are coming from (I’m an GP, need I say more?!) and I’m sorry so many people are attacking you about educational policies etc. even on this thread, which is not what you came here to discuss. I do understand that ND kids are very much struggling in mainstream education (I have one myself), and it sounds like you do too and are generally sympathetic to and supportive of and loving towards your SIL. It would be nice to have the same back and a bit of awareness that ranting on about how stupid and uncaring all teachers are etc. to you is hurtful. Though as others have said if she is ND she may genuinely not have stopped to consider that. I definitely think you should spell it out for her. I like @Gardendiary ’s wording.

The teacher-bashing in society seems only second to the GP-bashing to me, especially since the pandemic, so I have a LOT of sympathy for teachers. Social workers get it too to some extent. And we are all under so so much pressure as it is. It’s not easy feeling universally hated by everyone while you break your back for not a whole lot in return, working in a broken system where you are actually only ever trying your best to help people. In fact I see a LOT of teachers and social workers really struggling with depression and burnout due to the pressure of work together with the constant bashing of their roles.

The people commenting that you are too thin-skinned or need to learn resilience likely have absolutely no idea what it’s like to come home from a long stressful day at work and still constantly hear criticism in your face from every angle about how awful/stupid/greedy/lazy/uncaring/useless/cowardly etc you are. Especially in the pandemic. One patient actually screamed at me out of the blue down the phone saying it was ridiculous that I was being paid furlough money to have cocktails in my garden - no idea why she thought that, I was sitting at my desk at work as I did every single day during the pandemic… or as many would say “hiding under my desk” apparently.

There have been so many negative articles in the press and discussions on social media etc. The last straw for me was watching Would I lie to You during the pandemic on a Friday night trying to relax and switch off at a time where I was really struggling with depression due to the stress of it all. I was enjoying it and then Lee Mack (who I normally love and think is hilarious and quick-witted) made some off-the-cuff joke at the expense of GPs, and something in me just broke. I had to switch the TV off and just sat and cried and cried, thinking ok not only can I not read/watch the news (even though I actually have to, to keep up with what the government have said they want me to do at work today), listen to the radio, go on social media, speak to a taxi driver, speak to school mums etc, it seems I can’t even watch a comedy panel show on a Friday night anymore apparently without someone having a go at GPs. It’s just absolutely relentless.

When that’s the background you’re dealing with, as OP says you just need your family to be a soft landing place and not somewhere else you have to have your guard totally up. I had to say to some of my family at one point when they started up with moaning about GPs that it was really really upsetting me and could they please just not. It was particularly irritating as in the next breath they’d be asking me for advice about their health issues. They did think I was overreacting/irrational about it (as I say they have no personal experience of it), and couldn’t understand why I was taking it so personally, but did agree to avoid the whole topic (other than asking me for health advice!). That is definitely going to be trickier for you because teachers and schools are going to come up as part of general family chat, especially with ND kids. But you might have to just agree to generally avoid the topic between the two of you, or only talk to you about that topic if she feels you can help with something with your teaching background and remember that you’re a teacher and you don’t want to be lumped in with “all teachers are…” or seen as a representative of the teaching profession/figurehead. I totally understand that dynamic as well. People do sometimes attack you as if you are solely responsible personally for anything negative that’s ever happened or any criticism that’s been made in your area of work.

People might well say I’m thin-skinned, and to be honest yes I think I am! I’ve always been a sensitive person, and easily upset, a lot of patients do appreciate sensitivity in a GP generally though. It’s not a sin to not be thick-skinned though. I also have bipolar disorder and tend to depression which does affect my resilience.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:48

Nothing happened at school to make my nephews stop going. It was covid initially and the oldest struggled to go back, then the youngest obviously hadnt had school modelled. The longer they didn't go for, the harder it was to go. There's lots of missing in education kids since covid

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thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:47

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:45

I'm allowed to also feel frustrated and hurt
Your tone doesn't reflect how I've explained and discussed the situation at all

Why are you hurt though? She is bashing the crap policies and rightly so. She is not bashing your capabilities as a teacher or questioning how hard you work. It’s not about you, it's about the system.

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 22:47

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:45

I'm allowed to also feel frustrated and hurt
Your tone doesn't reflect how I've explained and discussed the situation at all

The way you've explained and discussed the 'situation', comes across as though you think you're someone who must be revered at all costs, because of what you choose to do for a living.

I'd just keep off the subject of work and schooling when you two meet up really.

Dramatic · 11/07/2025 22:46

Sirzy · 11/07/2025 19:51

To be fair a blanket “no negative points” is unfair to those who have struggles because sometimes these things happen. It’s also a bit daft because if a child gets one negative point in week one then where the motivation to not get more? (And I say that as someone who works in a school!)

My daughter's school do a "no behaviour points" trip to a theme park, personally I think it's a great idea, they are motivated to make sure they're not late, make sure all their homework is done and of course to make sure they are well behaved. My daughter is very quiet and gets basically no attention from teachers because she just quietly gets on with things, it's lovely for her to have some recognition for her hard work.

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:45

ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 22:42

I'm not going to have an argument with you.

You quoted the example I wrote, which OP has said is exactly what happens and questioned if I'm "for real" because I didn't consider that behaviour as "horrifically mistreating" a child.

You've also invented that anyone has "poked the bear". OP isn't your punchbag.

It’s not what happened though is it? Do you honestly think the kids are not in school because of an email? What on earth are you talking about?

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:45

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 22:42

I disagree.

The way she feels about teachers has come from her experience of her DC's schooling.

None of it is about you no matter how much you try and make it.

I'm allowed to also feel frustrated and hurt
Your tone doesn't reflect how I've explained and discussed the situation at all

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foreverand · 11/07/2025 22:43

ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 22:34

You think it's horrifically mistreating a child to send their mother a generic email asking them to bring a jumper into school?

You make that up. The situation the op gave was that any child with a demerit doesn’t get to go to the disco.
It is horrifically mistreating a child who is struggling, disabled, being abused or neglected to further punish and exclude them based on one behavioural incident, yes,

Jamesblonde2 · 11/07/2025 22:43

She’s rude and bitter. Ignore her. I’d focus more on the child whose life sounds like it’s over before it’s started. Get him out of that bloody room.

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 22:42

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:40

It's not, but in our long relationship, my feelings should also factor.

I disagree.

The way she feels about teachers has come from her experience of her DC's schooling.

None of it is about you no matter how much you try and make it.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:42

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:40

She KNOWS you don’t make the policies OP, she is quite entitled to trash them though. You taking it as a direct criticism of you is where you are going wrong.

It's the FREQUENCY though and the expectations that I will ALWAYS be resilient enough to take it

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Hankunamatata · 11/07/2025 22:42

Sen parent here and I find some sen parents draining esp those with kids in mainstream that seem to think the school should bend around their child without any thought of how this is achieved or even if achievable in a mainstream setting. All some of them do is slag school off without even being correctly informed. If you gently try to explain reasoning (I spent lots of time on schools as none parent) its just made our your siding with the shxool.

ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 22:42

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:38

This is not what happened, you made this up in your head. You have no idea what has happened to OP’s nephews but it is serious enough for them to not be in school. Actively being seen to support a system and saying “it is working’ to a mother of ND kids is like poking a bear.

I'm not going to have an argument with you.

You quoted the example I wrote, which OP has said is exactly what happens and questioned if I'm "for real" because I didn't consider that behaviour as "horrifically mistreating" a child.

You've also invented that anyone has "poked the bear". OP isn't your punchbag.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:40

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 22:38

Genuinely, it's not all about you.

It's not, but in our long relationship, my feelings should also factor.

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thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:40

She KNOWS you don’t make the policies OP, she is quite entitled to trash them though. You taking it as a direct criticism of you is where you are going wrong.

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 22:38

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:34

Yes this is what I've said, I'll find reasons to potter off BUT also I feel hurt my SIL hasn't connected I might be feeling a bit got at

Genuinely, it's not all about you.

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:38

ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 22:34

You think it's horrifically mistreating a child to send their mother a generic email asking them to bring a jumper into school?

This is not what happened, you made this up in your head. You have no idea what has happened to OP’s nephews but it is serious enough for them to not be in school. Actively being seen to support a system and saying “it is working’ to a mother of ND kids is like poking a bear.

Rinoachicken · 11/07/2025 22:37

I meant you were proud of the job you do (as you should be) not specifically any particular policies which you are not involved in anyway.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 11/07/2025 22:36

Judging by the way you've handled this thread OP you are a very calm, mature and patient individual with strong self reflection and an open mind. It is hard to be criticised, especially for things that you cannot help or change but that you put so much work and effort into and see so misunderstood. I do think just taking yourself quietly away is the thing to do. She knows you, she knows it's not you and your choices and that you're supportive of her, she doesn't mean it towards you I think she's just lost her filter.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 22:35

TheignT · 11/07/2025 22:33

Maybe she doesn't realise you/your school do the same thing. Maybe she knows you, respects you and just thinks you would do better.

This is a good point. Thank you!

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ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 22:34

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:33

The problem isn't that the school have horrifically upset or mistreated SIL's DS, they just haven't revolved everything around him

Are you for real?

You think it's horrifically mistreating a child to send their mother a generic email asking them to bring a jumper into school?