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Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 19:35

I love my SIL . We grew up together. Her and my brother have 2 sons with autism. One hasn't been back to school since Covid and they can't get him out of his room really, he's nocturnal etc. Very difficult to get help for him too due to system failures. Youngest is currently in y9, attending 50% ish
I'm a teacher, previously in SEND , now in a mainstream core subject.
My SIL is struggling and as time goes on, it's clear she is autistic also.
The problem I've got is she regularly slags off everything to do with school. Even perfectly normal things are met with "well that's fucking stupid"
The problem is, I'm often involved in similar things at my school. A recent example would be the year 8 reward disco. In order to attend, students had to have had no demerits for poor behaviour, this is part of our behaviour improvement plan and has been working well.
My problem is not what she thinks , she can think whatever, and her personal circumstances mean she is more angry obviously. However she gives NO thought to how I might feel having my job picked apart and criticised all the time. It doesn't help that I'm tired and peri menopausal but it's really upsetting me. How can I broach it?

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Leftrightmiddle · 13/07/2025 10:05

Teachingquestion · 12/07/2025 09:23

But as a pp said, most (if not all schools do make sure SEN students are not part of the demerit issue if their behaviour is connected to a diagnosis. Like I said , nothing in schools is as black and white as this thread would suggest.

Maybe some/most do but when your child hasn't had their needs met you don't think oh well it works for most and my child doesn't matter. You feel angry because your child does matter and other children being ok doesn't make up for the damage done to your child

Teachingquestion · 12/07/2025 18:25

sandyhappypeople · 12/07/2025 16:17

SIL might mention something like this triggering son 2 as he is worried about maths, and the teachers know he can't go to maths club.

So why are you jumping to justify it to her?? You aren't the one who sent the email so it is nothing to do with you! I don't think you have given any examples where you have been personally attacked by her, you are inadvertently being biased because of the job you do and you are jumping in to play devils advocate at every opportunity.. but you aren't going to change her mind, so why do that all the time causing friction?

You need to switch your work head off when you are not at work!

The answer to her 'mentioning' that an email is triggering her child is to ask why she would be showing it to him in the first place? You are both acting as if you are being personally attacked, her by the school, and then you by her, when neither is actually true.

Act like a SIL not a teacher.

I do, as you will see by my responses on this thread, I don't need the telling off from you

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Ponderingwindow · 12/07/2025 16:39

If your first example had been the maths club email, this whole thread might have gone a bit differently. There is a difference between things that actively work against students and things that are minor annoyances.

I don’t happen to like just how much my DD’s school emphasizes sport. I don’t throw a fit every time we get an email celebrating another achievement. Neither does DD. Instead, we have developed a healthy coping mechanism of rolling our eyes at laughing together at how seriously they all take the games. (In truth, we don’t care this much, this only comes up occasionally when dd is annoyed and this is how we handle it to keep it a non-issue.)

sandyhappypeople · 12/07/2025 16:17

Teachingquestion · 12/07/2025 08:16

I've been pondering and I think the PP who mentioned parent emails got it right and nailed the feeling. This is the exact sort of thing that might start a rant. I am occasionally in charge of sending out whole year group emails (just a reminder that Maths club starts again on Monday, just to let you know calculators are now available to buy at school that type of thing) SIL might mention something like this triggering son 2 as he is worried about maths, and the teachers know he can't go to maths club. She doesn't seem to get or pass on the concept to my nephews that not everything is for them, that they make the decision if its relevant.
It's the same with me, I go to a gym and have a slight physical disability which the gym know about. I still receive emails for.classes and offers that I could never participate in. I just filter them, as not for me.
This is when the criticism is hard to take, as whatever I do I'm wrong. If I don't send the email for maths club , I have parents complaining that their child never told them, if I do, I might be triggering some other students. All this while teaching 5 lessons a day!

SIL might mention something like this triggering son 2 as he is worried about maths, and the teachers know he can't go to maths club.

So why are you jumping to justify it to her?? You aren't the one who sent the email so it is nothing to do with you! I don't think you have given any examples where you have been personally attacked by her, you are inadvertently being biased because of the job you do and you are jumping in to play devils advocate at every opportunity.. but you aren't going to change her mind, so why do that all the time causing friction?

You need to switch your work head off when you are not at work!

The answer to her 'mentioning' that an email is triggering her child is to ask why she would be showing it to him in the first place? You are both acting as if you are being personally attacked, her by the school, and then you by her, when neither is actually true.

Act like a SIL not a teacher.

wizzywig · 12/07/2025 14:53

I'm equating this to be what it's like for Muslims whenever there is something going on about it in the news. You become the figurehead for the faith and no matter if you do xyz, people cannot see that you are not like whoever is in the news. They can't resist having a dig.
Op the only way you'll get away from this is when you retire.

TheignT · 12/07/2025 09:55

Teachingquestion · 12/07/2025 09:23

But as a pp said, most (if not all schools do make sure SEN students are not part of the demerit issue if their behaviour is connected to a diagnosis. Like I said , nothing in schools is as black and white as this thread would suggest.

But is her kids school one that does or doesn't do that. If they don't make any allowances you could suggest some schools do and maybe she could speak to the school.

Teachingquestion · 12/07/2025 09:23

Leftrightmiddle · 12/07/2025 09:04

I understand the logic of sending whole school or whole year emails from a school perspective. And yes I can filter these out as not relevant but it still impacts to get an email or see a social media post about an activity or trip that my child can't experience..child already misses out on so much and this just highlights another thing that they don't get to enjoy it experience. One more system or policy that my child has been excluded from. A further consequence of the school system and the LA inability to make sure every child has a suitable education, a suitable provision.

So someone using strategies that only work for some children and causes damage to others and justifying this it is a kick in the teeth.
I understand your just doing a job but points / demerits based on behaviour do not work if the children with SEN are NOT having their basic needs met and reasonable adjustments put in place. This is the same as saying you can only go on the trip if you can walk up stairs and Tom can't go because he in a wheelchair but he could try harder and learn to walk. Most people manage to walk right?
This new rule of walking up steps is seen as successful as most kids did it. Tom didn't but that's only 1 child. Sarah did it she normally uses the lift due to heart condition but she was desperate for the trip so really pushed herself to use the stairs. And she did it and had a place on the trip. The staff were so happy this was proof the new rule worked.
Unfortunately Sarah was in hospital the day of the trip due to consequences of pushing herself but that doesn't even matter right

But as a pp said, most (if not all schools do make sure SEN students are not part of the demerit issue if their behaviour is connected to a diagnosis. Like I said , nothing in schools is as black and white as this thread would suggest.

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Leftrightmiddle · 12/07/2025 09:04

I understand the logic of sending whole school or whole year emails from a school perspective. And yes I can filter these out as not relevant but it still impacts to get an email or see a social media post about an activity or trip that my child can't experience..child already misses out on so much and this just highlights another thing that they don't get to enjoy it experience. One more system or policy that my child has been excluded from. A further consequence of the school system and the LA inability to make sure every child has a suitable education, a suitable provision.

So someone using strategies that only work for some children and causes damage to others and justifying this it is a kick in the teeth.
I understand your just doing a job but points / demerits based on behaviour do not work if the children with SEN are NOT having their basic needs met and reasonable adjustments put in place. This is the same as saying you can only go on the trip if you can walk up stairs and Tom can't go because he in a wheelchair but he could try harder and learn to walk. Most people manage to walk right?
This new rule of walking up steps is seen as successful as most kids did it. Tom didn't but that's only 1 child. Sarah did it she normally uses the lift due to heart condition but she was desperate for the trip so really pushed herself to use the stairs. And she did it and had a place on the trip. The staff were so happy this was proof the new rule worked.
Unfortunately Sarah was in hospital the day of the trip due to consequences of pushing herself but that doesn't even matter right

Teachingquestion · 12/07/2025 08:17

To be clear, SIL is not complaining about my email, but about similar small things at nephews school

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Teachingquestion · 12/07/2025 08:16

I've been pondering and I think the PP who mentioned parent emails got it right and nailed the feeling. This is the exact sort of thing that might start a rant. I am occasionally in charge of sending out whole year group emails (just a reminder that Maths club starts again on Monday, just to let you know calculators are now available to buy at school that type of thing) SIL might mention something like this triggering son 2 as he is worried about maths, and the teachers know he can't go to maths club. She doesn't seem to get or pass on the concept to my nephews that not everything is for them, that they make the decision if its relevant.
It's the same with me, I go to a gym and have a slight physical disability which the gym know about. I still receive emails for.classes and offers that I could never participate in. I just filter them, as not for me.
This is when the criticism is hard to take, as whatever I do I'm wrong. If I don't send the email for maths club , I have parents complaining that their child never told them, if I do, I might be triggering some other students. All this while teaching 5 lessons a day!

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Ooodelally · 12/07/2025 07:01

She sounds incredibly tiresome. No one should have to sit and be the sole representative for an entire profession whilst someone trauma dumps over and over again. I would bite back every single time until she learned some manners or to pick someone else to moan to.

Ponderingwindow · 12/07/2025 00:40

If you are having frequent family dinners I am going to suggest a few approaches.

first, I think the suggestion above that she doesn’t necessarily lump you in with the problem is likely. She may view you as an ally who would fight for her nephews. It’s hard to say. That was actually my first thought when I read your first post, but as someone with ASD, sometimes I misread things.

second, being explicit, but gentle, that it is hard to hear about bad teachers because it feels personal is a good idea. Just phrase it carefully.

finally, try redirecting the conversation. When she complains about a school policy, ask her what she would do differently to meet the needs of all students. She may just be ranting and have no good ideas. You may actually find that you break the complaining cycle and instead are treated to an idealistic, but very well thought out alternative approach. You don’t need to do anything with her ideas at all. I’m just thinking they might be more pleasant dinner conversation.

wanted to add, people with ASD often have huge problems with existing systems because we see the flaws so easily and also are able to visualize what an idealized world would look like. It’s not just that the world isn’t built for us, it’s that we can tell the way society does things is inefficient and ineffective. People are stuck in their ways though and changes systems is extremely difficult.

thisisfrommathilda · 12/07/2025 00:14

MsAnnFrope · 11/07/2025 23:35

Maybe you should work on being more resilient about it…just like you suggested to the OP

Honestly none of your posts make sense.

lazyarse123 · 12/07/2025 00:08

TinyTempest · 11/07/2025 22:56

Nothing I've said has suggested that.

I don't think that's for you to decide really?

You come across to others how you come across 🤷‍♂️

And that's how you come across to me when you keep mentioning your 'feelings are hurt' when it's not about you.

If someone constantly complains to you about the job you do it's pretty difficult to not take it personally.

Britneyfan · 12/07/2025 00:08

@saraclara thank you! Yeah during the pandemic it was absolutely intolerable. Everyone saying how they didn’t clap for the GPs who are all hiding under their desks etc. While we were still waiting to get surgical masks due to no availability which was really scary early in the pandemic when we didn’t know how bad COVID was going to be. My sister was in hospital with COVID at the same time and a fit and well and much-loved and kind consultant who was a former colleague at our local hospital had just died from COVID age 50ish too.

It was just a horrendous and traumatic time all round. But I know most people suffered a lot in various ways (well maybe apart from the mumsnetters who keep coming here to say they miss lockdown and furlough as they had such a lovely family time!! It was just very hard being everyone’s punchbag at such a time.

And you’re right that the majority of patients are furious at the whole system and many do take it out on us. Even though I can recognise it’s coming from a place of fear and stress and frustration, it’s hard to keep turning up for work every day just to have a long list of people yell at you mostly about stuff that’s absolutely nothing to do with you or that you have any control over!

It’s taken a long time, but in fact it has actually improved a bit in the past 6 months or so I’d say. Slightly less GP-bashing and angry patients than before!

spirit20 · 12/07/2025 00:05

You could always start complaining to her about the ridiculous parents you have to deal with at work who don't seem to realise how under-resourced and underfunded the school system is, and expect the schools to magically be able to meet their child's complex needs, when often the parents themselves are unable to do so at home, while at the same time providing a proper education to the 29 other children in the class.

savagedaughter · 12/07/2025 00:01

You feel she is criticising you, she feels her children are being harassed and treated badly by adults. Never the twain shall meet.

Florence12345 · 11/07/2025 23:59

I completely get where she is coming from though.

I have been in tears many nights about the treatment of my son in school, who is not even 5 years old yet.

Yes, it is the system, but it is also the people in the system. Some are just awful.

Leftrightmiddle · 11/07/2025 23:54

It is so hard being a parent to a child who has been failed by education and school.

My child can't attend school. School has caused so much trauma and failed to meet any of child's needs despite so many promises. We as parents have wasted so much time in meeting and trying to get support and it has had such a negative impact on my child and my health.

LA continues to dragged their heels and avoid providing an accessible education.

Meanwhile they have released another letter about the importance of attendance and how missing X number of lessons a year will negatively impact a child whole life.

It is so upsetting to read when they have done nothing to positively impact my child's lifem nothing to provide child with an education and their letter is literally saying my child is doomed.

I can not stress enough that unless you have actual first hand experience of life for families like ours you do not have a clue how difficult it is.

None of us (parents, child or siblings) have chosen this. We would all much prefer a world where school was accessible and met our child's needs.
This whole experience I recon has taken 20 years off my life due to stress. It has left my child with PTSD and our whole family has been impacted in so many ways including financially.

I alo worked as a teacher and now I see how stupid and ableist the whole system is

saraclara · 11/07/2025 23:54

I just want to give @Britneyfan a shout out for their post. I can't imagine how bad it must be being a GP at the moment. Every single person has a view, and which is often magnified by stress and worry for their own health, which means they express it with anger. It must be virtually impossible to escape being told how rubbish you are. You explained the issue very calmly and logically, but it must be really painful.

saraclara · 11/07/2025 23:49

I think you need to quietly let your family know how you're feeling @Teachingquestion . They might not completely get it, but they might be able to help by changing the subject a bit when she's been in full flow for a while. Yes she needs to vent, but if this subject is dominating family time every week, they might actually be glad if a reason to intervene after a little while, or to give you opportunities to escape.

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 23:42

ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 23:37

Not necessarily - a school will very often been the first place to notice symptoms and will put in place measures long before there's a diagnosis, or even a referral.

Agreed . Especially if an "act as if" system is in place

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ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 23:37

SENNeeds2 · 11/07/2025 23:34

Yes …. but since an adhd diagnosis is only suggested and given after these behaviours … children not yet diagnosed will be penalised by such a rule.

A teacher would not dream of punishing a child with Dyslexia because they did not do well on a spelling test - but kids with adhd who may have exec function problems and forget things / or impulsivity problems and like you suggested might shout out / or trouble sitting still and listening …. all punishable.

Not necessarily - a school will very often been the first place to notice symptoms and will put in place measures long before there's a diagnosis, or even a referral.

MsAnnFrope · 11/07/2025 23:35

thisisfrommathilda · 11/07/2025 22:38

This is not what happened, you made this up in your head. You have no idea what has happened to OP’s nephews but it is serious enough for them to not be in school. Actively being seen to support a system and saying “it is working’ to a mother of ND kids is like poking a bear.

Maybe you should work on being more resilient about it…just like you suggested to the OP

Teachingquestion · 11/07/2025 23:34

ConfusedSloth · 11/07/2025 23:27

This completely depends.

A lot of schools simply do not award sanctions for behaviours that are linked to SEN - i.e. if a child with ADHD regularly shouts out in class because of his ADHD then that wouldn't be sanctioned in any way. I've known systems where any points are reviewed by SENCo, for example, and removed if they're in error for behaviours that are related to their SEN.

These 'rewards' will always always have a review and discussion.

Without knowing the actual situation and process, we can't know this is an unfair system.

I have two disabled DCs but I've also been a teacher - so I've seen both sides of the coin here.

Thank you , some understanding 🙏

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