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AIBU to wonder my manager lied about her daughter’s school?

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 11:28

Not sure if I’m overthinking this or if something odd is going on.

A while ago, my manager and I were chatting about our kids. She was asking about SATs for her 8-year-old DD. I explained what I knew and also mentioned the 11+ since my DS (14) is at a grammar school and went through the process.
She said her daughter isn’t really into study so there is no point getting a tutor. She made it sound like school isn’t really her thing.

Then just the other day, I overheard her telling someone else at work that her daughter is at a private grammar school. That really threw me, especially after our earlier conversation. I did not say anything, but I felt a bit taken aback.

I get that people do not always share everything, and maybe she didn’t want to go into it before, but it felt like a lie especially after she asked me for info and gave the impression her daughter wouldn’t be doing anything like the 11+. Why say all that if her daughter is already at a private grammar?

AIBU to feel confused and like she was being a bit dishonest?

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TheignT · 11/07/2025 17:53

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 15:47

She asked about the 11+ and then told me afterwards her daughter would not be academically bright enough to do it.

In your OP you didn't say she asked you about 11+ you said she asked about SATs and you mentioned the 11+ so if you're going to change the story it's pretty pointless to engage.

LarkspurLane · 11/07/2025 17:43

Do you think that every single child from this school would get into your DS grammar school? Is that the kind of level it is?

Where I am, kids can excel but still not do well enough in the 11plus to get into the grammar schools as they might not have every skill needed.
Why not ask her about it, it seems to still be upsetting you despite many on the thread saying they wouldn't be bothered.

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 17:28

CatkinToadflax · 11/07/2025 17:22

OP you have used the phrase “private grammar school” over and over and over again. As many posters have said already, private schools are in many cases selective, but they are not grammar schools. Some have just kept the historical ‘grammar’ in their name. No eight year old can attend a grammar school.

My guess is that your manager moved her daughter to this school in Year 3 because it’s a through school and she could stay in the same school throughout and avoid taking the 11+. I genuinely don’t think she’s lying to you. It seems a shame to feel less positive about her relationship with you due to one confusing conversation.

Incidentally it would never occur to me to say that DS2 is at an ordinary school, but I suppose really he is. His school is private. However DS1 attended a special school - so in comparison I guess I could call the other school ‘ordinary’.

That might well be the case and if she had said something along those lines, it would have made perfect sense. But she did not.

So when I later heard her say her daughter is at a private grammar school (her words) and excelling, it was not just a confusing detail. It was a completely different version of the situation.

I do not think she needed to tell me everything, but she went beyond being vague or private. She told me something that just was not true and that is what changed how I see her.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 17:25

Murdoch1949 · 11/07/2025 17:21

No such thing as a private grammar school.

That is how she described it when she was talking to someone else.

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CatkinToadflax · 11/07/2025 17:22

OP you have used the phrase “private grammar school” over and over and over again. As many posters have said already, private schools are in many cases selective, but they are not grammar schools. Some have just kept the historical ‘grammar’ in their name. No eight year old can attend a grammar school.

My guess is that your manager moved her daughter to this school in Year 3 because it’s a through school and she could stay in the same school throughout and avoid taking the 11+. I genuinely don’t think she’s lying to you. It seems a shame to feel less positive about her relationship with you due to one confusing conversation.

Incidentally it would never occur to me to say that DS2 is at an ordinary school, but I suppose really he is. His school is private. However DS1 attended a special school - so in comparison I guess I could call the other school ‘ordinary’.

Murdoch1949 · 11/07/2025 17:21

No such thing as a private grammar school.

TorroFerney · 11/07/2025 17:21

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 13:10

It is not just about the individual sentences. It is the overall impression she gave me.

She asked me about SATs, I mentioned the eleven plus and said my son is at a grammar school. She said her daughter is not into studying, not academic, and that there is no point getting a tutor. The way she said it made it sound like selective schools were not even something they would consider. It really came across like her daughter was just at an ordinary state school and not interested in that kind of thing at all.

She did not name the school, but she gave a picture that turned out to be totally different from the truth.

Then I heard her telling someone else her daughter is doing really well at a private grammar school with entrance tests. That school had already finished for the holidays, which matched up with what I had noticed.

So yes, she lied. Not by saying one specific false sentence, but by giving me a version of things that just was not true.

You’ve made up a story to fill the gaps. Gave the impression is something you’ve interpreted not what she’s said.

id self reflect why it bothered me so much.

i personally would share different things with different people, especially when, like private school, not having a mortgage or flying business class could sound like bragging.

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 17:20

TorroFerney · 11/07/2025 17:17

What do you want to happen?

mt child is at a 11+ grammar, had she not got in she’d have gone to the only selective private school. She would have passed their entrance exam as it’s not as hard so maybe it’s that , private school had an easier exam.

I just don't understand why she lied.

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TorroFerney · 11/07/2025 17:17

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:36

She did lie. This is not just about how someone defines excelling or whether they feel comfortable talking about private school.

She told me directly that her daughter is not academic, not interested in studying, and that there is no point getting a tutor. She also said her daughter is in an ordinary school and would not be doing the 11+. That is a very specific statement and gave a clear picture.

Later, she told someone else her daughter is at a private grammar school with entrance assessments and is excelling. That is not just a matter of keeping quiet about private school. It is two completely different stories.

You can choose not to share something and that is fine. But when you actively give a version of events that is false or misleading, that is lying.

What do you want to happen?

mt child is at a 11+ grammar, had she not got in she’d have gone to the only selective private school. She would have passed their entrance exam as it’s not as hard so maybe it’s that , private school had an easier exam.

Didimum · 11/07/2025 17:17

I don't understand how from just 'a while ago' her daughter can go from 8yrs old to 11yrs old or older? When was the first conversation?

Didimum · 11/07/2025 17:16

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 13:05

Thank you!

So that's the answer you wanted, OP!

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:59

METimezone · 11/07/2025 16:46

Oh my goodly lord!

Very genuine question, OP, but are you or your colleague perhaps not from the UK originally? It's reading like you're maybe missing some cultural context in what your colleague says.

You keep referring to the "impression she gave" as a basis for her 'lie' but an "impression" is something coloured by the person receiving it as much as the person giving it.

Different ideas about modesty, bragging, good manners, making others comfortable etc. could really be clashing here.

Having said that, given your... tenacity... on this thread maybe she just really doesn't want you to know anything about her life!

I'd suggest you let it go.

That is fine if she wants to keep things to herself, but the thing is, she has told me quite a lot about herself in the past. This was not a one off chat. We have had plenty of conversations where she has shared personal details, including about her daughter.

So it is not that she is just private across the board. It is that she gave me one version of events and then gave someone else a completely different one. Yes, maybe now she does not want me to know anything but she has told me a lot already.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:57

MikeRafone · 11/07/2025 16:47

is it possible she has since been to a parents evening and had a report - its the end of term already so possibly and now she ha had different input from the report and the teachers - thus found out her daughter is excelling

That is possible but she has described how her daughter does not want to do any homework and just wants to play games. She won't sit still so there is no point her trying to go to a grammar.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:56

Sundaybananas · 11/07/2025 16:49

What do you think of as an “ordinary school” @temptemp2 ? Maybe that is what is skewing perception.

To me, my sons school was an “ordinary school”. It wasn’t a performing arts school, a Steiner or Montessori school, a faith school, or any of the things I would have thought of as worthy of comment. It was just an “ordinary school”, that we happened to pay for, and that he sat tests to get into.

I think of an ordinary school as a typical local state primary. She said her daughter was not clever enough for a grammar school and that she would go to an ordinary school.

At no point did she say her daughter was in a private school, and given the way she described her daughter’s academic ability and school situation, it definitely did not come across as fee-paying.

So when I later heard her saying her daughter is at a private grammar school with entrance assessments and is excelling, it felt like a totally different story. This is not just about definitions, it is about the fact that what she said to me and what she said to someone else were completely different.

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Sundaybananas · 11/07/2025 16:49

What do you think of as an “ordinary school” @temptemp2 ? Maybe that is what is skewing perception.

To me, my sons school was an “ordinary school”. It wasn’t a performing arts school, a Steiner or Montessori school, a faith school, or any of the things I would have thought of as worthy of comment. It was just an “ordinary school”, that we happened to pay for, and that he sat tests to get into.

MikeRafone · 11/07/2025 16:47

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:17

I agree that excelling can mean different things depending on context. But in this case, it was not vague or open to interpretation.

She told me her daughter is not academic, does not enjoy studying, and is in an ordinary school where there is no point getting a tutor and no plan to do the 11+. That gave a very clear picture.

Then she told someone else her daughter is excelling at a private grammar school with entrance assessments. Given the way she completely dismissed any form of her daughter excelling when speaking to me, it felt like a totally different story.

So yes, I do think she was being misleading. It is not just a matter of different definitions of excelling. It is about presenting two very different versions of the situation.

is it possible she has since been to a parents evening and had a report - its the end of term already so possibly and now she ha had different input from the report and the teachers - thus found out her daughter is excelling

METimezone · 11/07/2025 16:46

Oh my goodly lord!

Very genuine question, OP, but are you or your colleague perhaps not from the UK originally? It's reading like you're maybe missing some cultural context in what your colleague says.

You keep referring to the "impression she gave" as a basis for her 'lie' but an "impression" is something coloured by the person receiving it as much as the person giving it.

Different ideas about modesty, bragging, good manners, making others comfortable etc. could really be clashing here.

Having said that, given your... tenacity... on this thread maybe she just really doesn't want you to know anything about her life!

I'd suggest you let it go.

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:37

OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 16:31

This thread is so odd. Of course both things can be true: the child attends a private school that had an assessment for 7-year-olds while at the same time she is not academic enough to pass the 11+. She can be excelling at school in a variety of ways while at the same time the mother knows that having a tutor for the 11+ would be pointless.

Also you say different things about the girl attending an "ordinary school." First you say that your manager implied that or "made it sound like" that or it "really came across" that way. Then you say that she "actually did say that her daughter was in an ordinary school." The terminology is a bit odd (what is an "ordinary school" anyway?). Did she imply it was a state school? Or did you incorrectly infer that? And if she did in fact use this odd turn of phrase, she could have meant all sorts of things by it. Many private schools are quite ordinary in the sense of being nothing special in terms of the education provided.

She actually used the words ordinary school herself. That was not something I read into. She also said her daughter is not academic, does not enjoy studying, would not be sitting the 11+, and that there is no point in getting a tutor. When someone says all that and describes the school as ordinary, the natural impression is that their child is at a typical non-selective state primary.

So yes, I was surprised to hear her later telling someone else that her daughter is at a private grammar school with entrance assessments and is excelling. I understand that children can do well in different ways and that a school with a 7+ assessment is not the same as passing the 11+. But this is not just about technicalities. It is the fact that she gave two very different versions of her daughter's situation depending on who she was speaking to. That is what does not sit right.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:36

TorroFerney · 11/07/2025 16:20

Excelling compared to what? How she was a couple of years ago? Excelling socially as she’s previously struggled.

some people don’t mention private as others are knobs about it. She’s not lied to you.

She did lie. This is not just about how someone defines excelling or whether they feel comfortable talking about private school.

She told me directly that her daughter is not academic, not interested in studying, and that there is no point getting a tutor. She also said her daughter is in an ordinary school and would not be doing the 11+. That is a very specific statement and gave a clear picture.

Later, she told someone else her daughter is at a private grammar school with entrance assessments and is excelling. That is not just a matter of keeping quiet about private school. It is two completely different stories.

You can choose not to share something and that is fine. But when you actively give a version of events that is false or misleading, that is lying.

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OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 16:31

This thread is so odd. Of course both things can be true: the child attends a private school that had an assessment for 7-year-olds while at the same time she is not academic enough to pass the 11+. She can be excelling at school in a variety of ways while at the same time the mother knows that having a tutor for the 11+ would be pointless.

Also you say different things about the girl attending an "ordinary school." First you say that your manager implied that or "made it sound like" that or it "really came across" that way. Then you say that she "actually did say that her daughter was in an ordinary school." The terminology is a bit odd (what is an "ordinary school" anyway?). Did she imply it was a state school? Or did you incorrectly infer that? And if she did in fact use this odd turn of phrase, she could have meant all sorts of things by it. Many private schools are quite ordinary in the sense of being nothing special in terms of the education provided.

AKM89 · 11/07/2025 16:28

I think OP is perhaps overestimating how “selective” private primaries really are…

Sundaybananas · 11/07/2025 16:20

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:18

I understand that those things are not always mutually exclusive, and I agree that different people have different priorities. But this is not just a case of different outlooks.

She told me directly that her daughter is not academic, not into studying, and that there is no point getting a tutor. She also said she is in an ordinary school and would not be doing the 11+. She said there was no point her trying to get into a grammar. That gave me a very clear impression of their situation.

Then I hear her telling someone else that her daughter is doing really well at a private grammar school with entry assessments. That is not just a different priority or perspective. It is a completely different version. It is not just a matter of how you define academic success. It is that she told me one thing and told someone else something totally different.

No, it’s really not. You keep just repeating the same thing without trying to understand when people explain the nuances of it.

TorroFerney · 11/07/2025 16:20

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 11:58

She said herself her DD is excelling.

Excelling compared to what? How she was a couple of years ago? Excelling socially as she’s previously struggled.

some people don’t mention private as others are knobs about it. She’s not lied to you.

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:18

Sundaybananas · 11/07/2025 16:15

I think you and she just have different outlooks/different priorities. It is entirely possible for a child to be not academic, not interested in studying and not benefit from a tutor, and yet still be doing really well at a private school that has entry requirements. Those things are not at all mutually exclusive.

I understand that those things are not always mutually exclusive, and I agree that different people have different priorities. But this is not just a case of different outlooks.

She told me directly that her daughter is not academic, not into studying, and that there is no point getting a tutor. She also said she is in an ordinary school and would not be doing the 11+. She said there was no point her trying to get into a grammar. That gave me a very clear impression of their situation.

Then I hear her telling someone else that her daughter is doing really well at a private grammar school with entry assessments. That is not just a different priority or perspective. It is a completely different version. It is not just a matter of how you define academic success. It is that she told me one thing and told someone else something totally different.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 16:17

Ineedmorewine03 · 11/07/2025 16:09

I think you are interpreting wrongly

excelling doesn’t mean being academic or interested in studying

my daughter is not academic but she is excelling in her current school in terms of her own advances.

I agree that excelling can mean different things depending on context. But in this case, it was not vague or open to interpretation.

She told me her daughter is not academic, does not enjoy studying, and is in an ordinary school where there is no point getting a tutor and no plan to do the 11+. That gave a very clear picture.

Then she told someone else her daughter is excelling at a private grammar school with entrance assessments. Given the way she completely dismissed any form of her daughter excelling when speaking to me, it felt like a totally different story.

So yes, I do think she was being misleading. It is not just a matter of different definitions of excelling. It is about presenting two very different versions of the situation.

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