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AIBU to wonder my manager lied about her daughter’s school?

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 11:28

Not sure if I’m overthinking this or if something odd is going on.

A while ago, my manager and I were chatting about our kids. She was asking about SATs for her 8-year-old DD. I explained what I knew and also mentioned the 11+ since my DS (14) is at a grammar school and went through the process.
She said her daughter isn’t really into study so there is no point getting a tutor. She made it sound like school isn’t really her thing.

Then just the other day, I overheard her telling someone else at work that her daughter is at a private grammar school. That really threw me, especially after our earlier conversation. I did not say anything, but I felt a bit taken aback.

I get that people do not always share everything, and maybe she didn’t want to go into it before, but it felt like a lie especially after she asked me for info and gave the impression her daughter wouldn’t be doing anything like the 11+. Why say all that if her daughter is already at a private grammar?

AIBU to feel confused and like she was being a bit dishonest?

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DrowningInSyrup · 11/07/2025 20:10

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 19:51

Maybe don't listen to other people's conversations, and then you can avoid all this stress and analysis.

How do I close off my ears when it is right outside my office with the door open?

Is that all you took from what I said? I don't think most people would have given this a second thought. You seem to be intent in proving that your boss is a lying arsehole. It doesn't appear that she is, in the main we all agree that she isn't, yet you are getting all worked up about it, so here you go....

Your boss is a massive lying arsehole!! 🙄

Now hopefully you can get some sleep tonight.

UpToonGirl · 11/07/2025 20:04

Even if she did lie and say her daughter was at a state primary, couldn't pass 11+ and that she won't study but you find it's the opposite I don't really understand why you would be that bothered? I'm genuinely asking because I don't think it would register to me more than a brief thinking I'd got the wrong end of the stick somewhere. Or I might think she's having issues with her daughter and didn't want to go into it with a colleague so bent the truth.

Fwiw sometimes I'm a bit vague when talking about DC schools as a lot of people have certain issues with private. I don't lie but I sometimes am a bit vague, someone mentioned SATs the other day and I didn't, for example, jump in that our primary doesn't do them.

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 19:53

OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 19:29

O.K. I really don't understand why you seem unwilling to consider things from a different perspective. Once again, I see absolutely nothing contradictory in anything your manager has said about her child's school. It all sounds consistent and truthful. But I don't think I can explain myself any more clearly than I already have, so I won't bother to repeat myself.

How does it sound consistent and truthful? She asked about SATs saying her daughter would not do well in them because she is not academic while her daughter is in a private school and does not have to sit them.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 19:51

DrowningInSyrup · 11/07/2025 19:48

You keep saying she gave the impression that...... There is a fair chance you have misinterpreted this. People have got a very different impression from what your boss has said, yet you aren't considering this. Why bother posting when people keep saying, you may have got this wrong, then you keep stating categorically that you haven't.

And she isn't trying to one up you at all. Otherwise the chat she had with you would have been all about how her daughter is excelling. Maybe don't listen to other people's conversations, and then you can avoid all this stress and analysis.

Hopefully your boss isn't on here, because if she is, she's going to think you're really weird obsessing over a few minutes of office chat.

Maybe don't listen to other people's conversations, and then you can avoid all this stress and analysis.

How do I close off my ears when it is right outside my office with the door open?

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 19:50

TheignT · 11/07/2025 19:24

Not what you originally said. Read your own post. More proof it is pointless engaging.

It is possible to remember additional things about a conversation. Have you never done that?

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DrowningInSyrup · 11/07/2025 19:48

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 13:01

She did lie. She told me her daughter is not academic, does not enjoy studying, and that there is no point getting a tutor, giving the clear impression that selective schools were not relevant for them. That was not vague or open to interpretation, it was a pretty definite statement.

Then she told someone else her daughter is excelling at a private grammar school that requires entrance assessments. That is a completely different version of events. It is not a misunderstanding on my part, and I know exactly what kind of school she is referring to.

This is not about being confused or not knowing what a grammar school is. It is about someone presenting two totally different stories depending on who they are talking to. That is lying.

You keep saying she gave the impression that...... There is a fair chance you have misinterpreted this. People have got a very different impression from what your boss has said, yet you aren't considering this. Why bother posting when people keep saying, you may have got this wrong, then you keep stating categorically that you haven't.

And she isn't trying to one up you at all. Otherwise the chat she had with you would have been all about how her daughter is excelling. Maybe don't listen to other people's conversations, and then you can avoid all this stress and analysis.

Hopefully your boss isn't on here, because if she is, she's going to think you're really weird obsessing over a few minutes of office chat.

OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 19:29

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:57

I have taken in what people are saying and I do understand that different things can be true at once. But I am not just leaping to some ungenerous conclusion for no reason.

Her daughter is at a private school that does not do SATs, then why ask me detailed questions about them in the first place? She said she had no idea how they worked and asked me to explain them. She asked what she needed to do about the SATs and how concerned she was that her daughter would not do well in them. If they are not relevant to her child, that makes no sense unless she was trying to present a different picture of her situation.

She also said her daughter is not academic, would not be doing the 11+, and goes to an ordinary school. That is a very specific narrative, not just a vague comment. Then I hear her telling someone else her daughter is at a private grammar school and excelling.

That is not just a small difference in language or interpretation. It is two very different accounts.

O.K. I really don't understand why you seem unwilling to consider things from a different perspective. Once again, I see absolutely nothing contradictory in anything your manager has said about her child's school. It all sounds consistent and truthful. But I don't think I can explain myself any more clearly than I already have, so I won't bother to repeat myself.

TheignT · 11/07/2025 19:24

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:37

She started off asking about SATs then moved onto 11+.

Not what you originally said. Read your own post. More proof it is pointless engaging.

Surreyblah · 11/07/2025 19:19

Your posts are lengthy and repetitive. It’d be better to accept that people don’t agree with you.

CarlaLemarchant · 11/07/2025 19:13

Ok OP, you’re absolutely determined that she lied about her daughter’s school. So what?
Maybe she was trying connect with you
Maybe she is considering moving to state from private
Maybe the version she told you is the truth and she was lying to the colleague for reasons best known to herself

All you have to do is take anything she says about her personal life with a pinch of salt and don’t think of her as anything more than a work colleague.

If you can’t let it go, you could just ask her.

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:57

OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 18:53

Yes, you've said all that. As many PPs (myself included) have tried to point out, all of those things can be true at the same time. Nothing she said is contradictory, nor did she tell "two completely different stories" IMO. You see things differently and obviously that's up to you. But you don't seem willing even to entertain the idea that there may have been a misunderstanding on your part, despite the many posts on this thread that suggest you may be misinterpreting her words. Why leap immediately to the ungenerous conclusion that she's lying?

I have taken in what people are saying and I do understand that different things can be true at once. But I am not just leaping to some ungenerous conclusion for no reason.

Her daughter is at a private school that does not do SATs, then why ask me detailed questions about them in the first place? She said she had no idea how they worked and asked me to explain them. She asked what she needed to do about the SATs and how concerned she was that her daughter would not do well in them. If they are not relevant to her child, that makes no sense unless she was trying to present a different picture of her situation.

She also said her daughter is not academic, would not be doing the 11+, and goes to an ordinary school. That is a very specific narrative, not just a vague comment. Then I hear her telling someone else her daughter is at a private grammar school and excelling.

That is not just a small difference in language or interpretation. It is two very different accounts.

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OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 18:53

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:40

I understand that people define "ordinary school" differently, and I would not have read into that alone if it were the only thing she said. But it was not. She also said her daughter is not academic, does not enjoy studying, there is no point in getting a tutor and that she would not be doing the 11+.

It is not about me being cynical. It is about the fact that she said all of that, then told someone else her daughter is at a private grammar school (her words) and is excelling. That is two completely different stories. That made me question how honest she was being with me.

Yes, you've said all that. As many PPs (myself included) have tried to point out, all of those things can be true at the same time. Nothing she said is contradictory, nor did she tell "two completely different stories" IMO. You see things differently and obviously that's up to you. But you don't seem willing even to entertain the idea that there may have been a misunderstanding on your part, despite the many posts on this thread that suggest you may be misinterpreting her words. Why leap immediately to the ungenerous conclusion that she's lying?

LakieLady · 11/07/2025 18:49

LavenderBlue19 · 11/07/2025 11:32

Do you mean she's at a private grammar at 8 years old? As far as I know there's no such thing, grammars are secondary age.

Some independent grammars have a linked independent primary school. It used to be quite common for Girls Public School Trust schools to have a primary attached.

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:46

howshouldibehave · 11/07/2025 18:27

Apart from the fact that
1.there is no such thing as a private grammar school (yes, there are private schools who may use the word 'grammar' in their name, but they are private schools)
2.she isn't at a grammar school anyway because she is only 8

Suggesting she is clearly rather economical with the truth, I don't really understand why she gives a shit about SATs as private schools don't have to do them anyway!

I have no idea why she asked me about SATs either. She said she had no idea about them and asked me to explain. She had said her daughter went to an ordinary school and they hadn't said anything about SATs. She was grateful for the advice and asked if she could talk to me about it again in the future.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:44

KrisAkabusi · 11/07/2025 18:18

I don't think she lied. You have used either "That gave a very clear picture" or "That gave a clear impression" in almost every one of your updates. But neither if those are statements of fact, they are how you interpreted them. You cannot say she lied based on an impression.

It was not just an impression. It was based on what she actually said. She told me her daughter is not academic, not into studying, there is no point getting a tutor and that she is at an ordinary school. That is not vague or open to much interpretation. Those are direct statements that strongly pointed to her being in a non-selective state school with no plans for anything different.

Then she told someone else that her daughter is at a private grammar school with entrance assessments and is excelling. That is not just a different vibe or impression. It is a completely different version of her daughter's situation.

So no, I am not calling her dishonest based on a feeling. I am calling it that based on the fact that what she said to me simply does not match the reality she later shared with someone else.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:41

Nina1013 · 11/07/2025 18:08

I don’t understand your question. Private grammars are different to state grammars. They’re selective but don’t (always) start at 11. My child started at 7, and didn’t (to the best of my knowledge) sit an 11+. She also didn’t sit SATS but I know some private schools too.

If your manager’s child is already on summer holidays and you’re England based then it’s a private school. I don’t know what you think is deceptive and also don’t understand why you think any of this is any of your business though?

I do understand the difference between private and state grammar schools, and I know that many private schools do not follow the same timelines or assessments like SATs or the 11+. That is not the issue.

The reason I found it deceptive is because my manager said her daughter is not academic, there is no point in getting a tutor, she would not be doing the 11+, and that she would be going to an ordinary school. She never mentioned anything about private education or that her daughter was already in a selective school. The way she said it gave a very clear impression that her daughter was in a regular state school and would continue on that path.

Then she told someone else that her daughter is at a private grammar school and excelling. That is not just a small detail she left out. It is a completely different version of events.

As for why I care, it stuck in my mind because it felt dishonest. She started the conversation about schools not me.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:40

OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 18:06

Nothing about how she describes her child's school seems dishonest to me. Everything sounds as though it is true and not at all contradictory. You may define an "ordinary school" as "a typical local state primary school," but she clearly doesn't see the phrase that way. Since "ordinary school" is a bit of a woolly term without an agreed upon definition, people understandably view it from their own perspective. She may not have mentioned to you that her DD's current school is private, but maybe she didn't consider that detail relevant to your discussion. Obviously, it's up to you how you perceive her comments. But it seems as though you are determined to interpret them in the least generous, most cynical way possible.

I understand that people define "ordinary school" differently, and I would not have read into that alone if it were the only thing she said. But it was not. She also said her daughter is not academic, does not enjoy studying, there is no point in getting a tutor and that she would not be doing the 11+.

It is not about me being cynical. It is about the fact that she said all of that, then told someone else her daughter is at a private grammar school (her words) and is excelling. That is two completely different stories. That made me question how honest she was being with me.

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 18:37

TheignT · 11/07/2025 17:53

In your OP you didn't say she asked you about 11+ you said she asked about SATs and you mentioned the 11+ so if you're going to change the story it's pretty pointless to engage.

She started off asking about SATs then moved onto 11+.

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howshouldibehave · 11/07/2025 18:27

Apart from the fact that
1.there is no such thing as a private grammar school (yes, there are private schools who may use the word 'grammar' in their name, but they are private schools)
2.she isn't at a grammar school anyway because she is only 8

Suggesting she is clearly rather economical with the truth, I don't really understand why she gives a shit about SATs as private schools don't have to do them anyway!

Nina1013 · 11/07/2025 18:22

temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 12:25

I understand all of that and I agree there are plenty of reasons why someone might choose a private school, selective or not, and many parents don't want to seem like they're bragging.

But I still believe she lied to me. She didn’t just avoid saying her daughter was at an independent school, she actively created a different story. She told me her daughter isn’t academic, that there’s no point getting a tutor, and gave the impression that selective schools weren’t even being considered. But the school her daughter is at is a private grammar with known entry criteria, and she’s been there since Year 3.

Also, if her daughter really were at an ordinary state primary like she implied, she wouldn’t have already finished for the holidays. The private grammar school she mentioned to someone else by name had already broken up, which matches up exactly with what I’d noticed.

She could have simply said they’ve chosen a school that suits her daughter or that she’s already at a school they’re happy with. Instead she made it sound like she wouldn’t have a chance at anything selective and that there was no point trying, while her daughter is already in that environment.

That’s not just being private or modest. That’s being deliberately misleading.

Just to add -

My daughter is at an extremely prestigious private grammar school. Starting in year 3 is equally as competitive but in a different way. They look more at the whole child and less at purely academic test scores. People only apply if their children are academic, and even then it is about 15% of those who apply actually get a place. It’s even tougher to get in at 11.

If this was a conversation you were having with me, my answers would be very similar to your manager’s.

My daughter isn’t particularly interested in academic studies. She is obviously in the top 25% ish of her age to be at the school she’s at, but I am very sure she wouldn’t have got in at 11. The kids joining at 11 are for the most part another level of intelligence. I wouldn’t have considered a state grammar if we lived in a grammar school area, because (as your colleague says) she isn’t interested in the tutoring and studying that generally is required to gain a place. She’s very ‘well rounded’ but I wouldn’t say particularly academic. If her school did SATs and I knew your child did them, I’d have asked you how you found them. None of this would change the fact that I wouldn’t be applying for a state grammar school place, don’t think it would suit her and am not sure she would get one, but that she’s still in this highly academic, extremely hard to get into, private grammar school. Because she got in at 7 and they automatically get a place all the way through in that situation.

I think you’re looking for holes in what seems to you to be a strange story, but actually it’s pretty easy to understand…

Minnie798 · 11/07/2025 18:19

I have a friend who described her dc as not interested in school, not particularly academic and not into studying who got all 8 's and 9 's at gcse. Obviously very bright but has not gone to university or pursued a degree apprenticeship. Her other dc didn't do as well but went on to do A levels and uni and is the 'academic one'. It's as much about the child / teens personality as it is about their attainment sometimes. School not being her thing and being naturally bright enough to excel (especially at aged 8) could both be true.

KrisAkabusi · 11/07/2025 18:18

I don't think she lied. You have used either "That gave a very clear picture" or "That gave a clear impression" in almost every one of your updates. But neither if those are statements of fact, they are how you interpreted them. You cannot say she lied based on an impression.

Treeqp · 11/07/2025 18:13

I used to live in an area with grammar schools but also a private school with grammar in the name, people referred to it as “the private grammar” just for clarity. Nothing of what you’ve said sounds like she’s lied, just you’ve misinterpreted what thriving means to her, what an ordinary school is for her etc it’s weird that you’ve jumped straight to she’s lying when it very much just sounds like crossed wires.

Nina1013 · 11/07/2025 18:08

I don’t understand your question. Private grammars are different to state grammars. They’re selective but don’t (always) start at 11. My child started at 7, and didn’t (to the best of my knowledge) sit an 11+. She also didn’t sit SATS but I know some private schools too.

If your manager’s child is already on summer holidays and you’re England based then it’s a private school. I don’t know what you think is deceptive and also don’t understand why you think any of this is any of your business though?

OneBrightMorning · 11/07/2025 18:06

Nothing about how she describes her child's school seems dishonest to me. Everything sounds as though it is true and not at all contradictory. You may define an "ordinary school" as "a typical local state primary school," but she clearly doesn't see the phrase that way. Since "ordinary school" is a bit of a woolly term without an agreed upon definition, people understandably view it from their own perspective. She may not have mentioned to you that her DD's current school is private, but maybe she didn't consider that detail relevant to your discussion. Obviously, it's up to you how you perceive her comments. But it seems as though you are determined to interpret them in the least generous, most cynical way possible.

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