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AIBU to wonder my manager lied about her daughter’s school?

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temptemp2 · 11/07/2025 11:28

Not sure if I’m overthinking this or if something odd is going on.

A while ago, my manager and I were chatting about our kids. She was asking about SATs for her 8-year-old DD. I explained what I knew and also mentioned the 11+ since my DS (14) is at a grammar school and went through the process.
She said her daughter isn’t really into study so there is no point getting a tutor. She made it sound like school isn’t really her thing.

Then just the other day, I overheard her telling someone else at work that her daughter is at a private grammar school. That really threw me, especially after our earlier conversation. I did not say anything, but I felt a bit taken aback.

I get that people do not always share everything, and maybe she didn’t want to go into it before, but it felt like a lie especially after she asked me for info and gave the impression her daughter wouldn’t be doing anything like the 11+. Why say all that if her daughter is already at a private grammar?

AIBU to feel confused and like she was being a bit dishonest?

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pharmer · 12/07/2025 13:45

This is crazy. Maybe the school does sats maybe it doesn't. some private schools do and some don't. Maybe she thought the school does and it doesn't. A low ability child can be described as excelling if they are surpassing expectations for them. Maybe she is excelling in another area other than epidemic.
I don't see any of this makeher a liar.
Most likely i think you were banging on about tm your daughter's ability, and she didn't want to piss on your chips

MrsSkylerWhite · 12/07/2025 13:36

JaneGrint · 11/07/2025 11:36

There’s a private school near us that has “grammar school” in its name, it takes pupils from nursery through to A-levels, but it’s not selective until the secondary school stage.
And they have their own entrance exam rather than the 11+.

This. Our daughter teaches at a private “grammar” school. It takes children from 3-18.

SwingTheMonkey · 12/07/2025 13:34

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 12:37

I am not making anything up. Her daughter is already in a private school that does not do SATs. The school had already broken up, so this was not about future plans or uncertainty, it was a completely different reality from what she described to me.

You are free to disagree with how I see it, but throwing around personal attacks and questioning someone’s mental health because they noticed dishonesty says more about you than it does about me. If you have nothing useful to add, you can just scroll on.

Absolutely not a personal attack. I honestly think you could benefit from getting some help with things because this thought process isn’t healthy. You’ve got 4 pages of comments disagreeing with the vast majority of people who think this is a non issue and you’re still not willing to let it go. It’s incredibly odd behaviour.

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 13:20

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 13:03

You keep telling me to let it go, yet you are still responding yourself. People are absolutely allowed to reply as they wish and I have never said otherwise. But telling me to move on while continuing to pile on with sarcasm and digs is just hypocritical.

I never said I expected everyone to agree with me. I came here to get different perspectives, and I have read them. What I pushed back on was the tone some people used - mocking, patronising, or making personal comments. That is not about disagreement, it is about basic respect.

I have every right to post, just like you. If you are tired of the thread, no one is forcing you to stay on it. Maybe take your own advice and let it go.

I've not been sarcastic at all, I meant every word. Nor have I made digs. You asked if you are being unreasonable, time and time again you've been told that you are. You won't heed what anyone is saying, so obviously reading the comments is not the same as considering them.

I don't know how often you need to hear it, but as many times as you say the same thing, you are going to get the same response, from me or others. Yes you are being unreasonable.

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 13:03

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 12:54

You're being childish about this whole situation. People are allowed to respond as they wish, you can't police people's responses. You've said move on, don't comment, scroll on to so many people now all because they are not supporting your opinion, or making light of it. There is literally no point in posting on MN if you expect everyone to agree with you. It's a discussion forum, not an exercise in sycophancy.

A very high percentage of people are saying you are being YABU and given you multiple reasons why. Maybe take that onboard. AIBU in not just somewhere to just get "something off your chest". You asked a question and now you've been given a very clear answer. Maybe accept that you are being unreasonable, or don't bother asking people for their opinions in the future. It's guaranteed that they aren't always going to align with yours, so I really don't know what you were expecting.

You keep telling me to let it go, yet you are still responding yourself. People are absolutely allowed to reply as they wish and I have never said otherwise. But telling me to move on while continuing to pile on with sarcasm and digs is just hypocritical.

I never said I expected everyone to agree with me. I came here to get different perspectives, and I have read them. What I pushed back on was the tone some people used - mocking, patronising, or making personal comments. That is not about disagreement, it is about basic respect.

I have every right to post, just like you. If you are tired of the thread, no one is forcing you to stay on it. Maybe take your own advice and let it go.

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DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 12:54

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 12:38

I am not fuming and I am not going to confront her. I am simply pointing out that she lied, and I no longer trust what she says. I brought it here to get it off my chest which is exactly what MN is for.

If you are only here to be sarcastic and childish, maybe ask yourself why you are so bothered by someone discussing something that clearly struck a nerve. No one asked for your performative emojis. Move on if you have nothing useful to add.

You're being childish about this whole situation. People are allowed to respond as they wish, you can't police people's responses. You've said move on, don't comment, scroll on to so many people now all because they are not supporting your opinion, or making light of it. There is literally no point in posting on MN if you expect everyone to agree with you. It's a discussion forum, not an exercise in sycophancy.

A very high percentage of people are saying you are being YABU and given you multiple reasons why. Maybe take that onboard. AIBU in not just somewhere to just get "something off your chest". You asked a question and now you've been given a very clear answer. Maybe accept that you are being unreasonable, or don't bother asking people for their opinions in the future. It's guaranteed that they aren't always going to align with yours, so I really don't know what you were expecting.

ninjahamster · 12/07/2025 12:49

The thing is. The vast majority of us think you have misinterpreted the situation, which is, after all, a non event. People have explained over and over again why you might be wrong. But you just won’t listen. Then the slow drip feed to get others on side.
Anyway, I don’t think you are really getting anything out of this thread as you won’t listen to other opinions.

Pottedpalm · 12/07/2025 12:41

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 11:43

OMG are you still going on about this. Let it go for your own sanity.

This

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 12:38

honeylulu · 12/07/2025 11:37

OK so what are you going to do about the "problem"? Confront her? Or just continue to fume about it on this thread?

Maybe every time you see her in the office you should point your finger and shout "Liar Liar Pants On Fire!" I think that would seem to be the only thing that would make you feel better. 😂😂😂

I am not fuming and I am not going to confront her. I am simply pointing out that she lied, and I no longer trust what she says. I brought it here to get it off my chest which is exactly what MN is for.

If you are only here to be sarcastic and childish, maybe ask yourself why you are so bothered by someone discussing something that clearly struck a nerve. No one asked for your performative emojis. Move on if you have nothing useful to add.

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temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 12:37

SwingTheMonkey · 12/07/2025 12:22

Oh stop. You’re just making stuff up now to suit your bizarre story. You’ve absolutely no idea what this person knows about assessments her child might or might not be taking in years to come. My kids are at a private school and when my eldest was in year 3/4, I’d have had no idea what tests they’d be taking in year 6.

Honestly, you sound like you could benefit from speaking to someone. I cannot imagine anyone with a healthy mental state obsessing over something like this, it’s really odd.

I am not making anything up. Her daughter is already in a private school that does not do SATs. The school had already broken up, so this was not about future plans or uncertainty, it was a completely different reality from what she described to me.

You are free to disagree with how I see it, but throwing around personal attacks and questioning someone’s mental health because they noticed dishonesty says more about you than it does about me. If you have nothing useful to add, you can just scroll on.

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SwingTheMonkey · 12/07/2025 12:22

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 08:06

It is very unlikely that she did not know her daughter would not be sitting SATs. Her daughter is at a private school that does not do them and those schools are very clear with parents about what assessments are or are not part of the curriculum.

On top of that, she is heavily involved in the school, regularly goes to events, and talks about her daughter’s schooling in detail. This is not someone who is disconnected or unaware of what is going on.

So when she said she was worried her daughter might not do well in SATs because she does not enjoy studying and just wants to play games, it came across as completely false because SATs do not even apply to her daughter.

That is not just a case of being vague or avoiding bragging. That is actively presenting a version of things that is not true.

I am not obsessing. I brought it here because the conversation stuck in my mind and I wanted to get outside perspectives. That is the whole point of posting on a mumsnet.

Oh stop. You’re just making stuff up now to suit your bizarre story. You’ve absolutely no idea what this person knows about assessments her child might or might not be taking in years to come. My kids are at a private school and when my eldest was in year 3/4, I’d have had no idea what tests they’d be taking in year 6.

Honestly, you sound like you could benefit from speaking to someone. I cannot imagine anyone with a healthy mental state obsessing over something like this, it’s really odd.

Treeqp · 12/07/2025 11:44

She might not have known they didn’t sit sats yes she might be involved in school, it may be on the website but she could still have though they did it though or it slipped her mind.

You are determined she’s lied so have you got history of her lying or do you two not like each other?

DrowningInSyrup · 12/07/2025 11:43

OMG are you still going on about this. Let it go for your own sanity.

honeylulu · 12/07/2025 11:37

OK so what are you going to do about the "problem"? Confront her? Or just continue to fume about it on this thread?

Maybe every time you see her in the office you should point your finger and shout "Liar Liar Pants On Fire!" I think that would seem to be the only thing that would make you feel better. 😂😂😂

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 11:31

honeylulu · 12/07/2025 11:26

The way she said it gave a very clear impression that her daughter was in a regular state school

Giving an overall impression, whether or not that us deliberate, is not "lying". Perhaps she was deliberately vague because you are known for being a pernickety person obsessed with catching people out.

My take on it (just a guess) is that her daughter isn't very studious and never has been, which is why she invested in a private school. (My parents did the same BTW, their nickname for me was Dolly Daydream and they thought in a class of 30 I would just have stared out of the window so they chose a tiny private school where I wouldn't be able to get away with that.) She was probably musing over her decision and wondering if it was worth the money by asking you about SATs and 11+ to consider if her daughter might have been OK in state school after all. She didn't mention private school because some people are judgy about it and tbf you do seem to be completely up your own arse about the issue.

Her daughter probably is excelling at private school because it's given her the push she needed which she may not have got in state school. "Ordinary school" is an odd turn of phrase but I think it was markedly a choice of words that allowed her to avoid using the words "state" or "private".

I have no issue with people being private or choosing what details they share based on context. What I take issue with is when someone actively says things that are not true.

You are welcome to guess at her reasons or intentions, but the idea that I somehow caused this by asking questions or being judgy does not hold up. She came to me asking about SATs and the 11+. I answered her questions honestly, and she responded with what now appears to have been a false version of her situation.

This is not about being up myself or obsessed with catching people out. It is about basic honesty in a one-on-one conversation where she asked for advice and gave me a story that was not true. That is what I have a problem with.

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temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 11:28

LarkspurLane · 12/07/2025 11:13

Based on this thread, I lie all the time. To my friend whose son has mental health issues, I talk a bit about my son's struggles.
To my friends with high achieving kids, I talk more about good things they are doing.

I think both of these facts are true, but I assume you would think that I was lying to one of them.

That does not sound like lying to me. That sounds like adjusting what you share based on who you are talking to, which most people do. Sharing different aspects of the truth depending on the context is not the same as creating two completely different stories.

In my case, she did not just highlight different parts of the same reality. She told me her daughter is not academic and would not do well in SATs when she has to sit them. Then she told someone else her daughter is at a private school that does not even do SATs.

That is not just choosing what to focus on. That is saying something that directly contradicts reality. That is why I call it lying.

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honeylulu · 12/07/2025 11:26

The way she said it gave a very clear impression that her daughter was in a regular state school

Giving an overall impression, whether or not that us deliberate, is not "lying". Perhaps she was deliberately vague because you are known for being a pernickety person obsessed with catching people out.

My take on it (just a guess) is that her daughter isn't very studious and never has been, which is why she invested in a private school. (My parents did the same BTW, their nickname for me was Dolly Daydream and they thought in a class of 30 I would just have stared out of the window so they chose a tiny private school where I wouldn't be able to get away with that.) She was probably musing over her decision and wondering if it was worth the money by asking you about SATs and 11+ to consider if her daughter might have been OK in state school after all. She didn't mention private school because some people are judgy about it and tbf you do seem to be completely up your own arse about the issue.

Her daughter probably is excelling at private school because it's given her the push she needed which she may not have got in state school. "Ordinary school" is an odd turn of phrase but I think it was markedly a choice of words that allowed her to avoid using the words "state" or "private".

LarkspurLane · 12/07/2025 11:13

Based on this thread, I lie all the time. To my friend whose son has mental health issues, I talk a bit about my son's struggles.
To my friends with high achieving kids, I talk more about good things they are doing.

I think both of these facts are true, but I assume you would think that I was lying to one of them.

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 11:01

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 12/07/2025 10:56

Are you 100% sure her daughter's school does not do SATS ? even if they don't need to - maybe they choose to do them or something similar
or
maybe they are thinking of introducing them or something similar.

have you read the school's website thoroughly ?

Yes their website says they do not do SATs. I have friends who also sent their children to the same school. They are a private school and have never done SATs. There is currently no discussion of introducing them at the school.

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 12/07/2025 10:56

Are you 100% sure her daughter's school does not do SATS ? even if they don't need to - maybe they choose to do them or something similar
or
maybe they are thinking of introducing them or something similar.

have you read the school's website thoroughly ?

Cattery · 12/07/2025 10:51

Well we can pick on the OP all we like and argue about SATS, the 11+ and the merits of grammar school, private school etc until the cows come home. The point is; OP is now viewing this woman as someone who may not be very trustworthy. Many aren’t. Lots of people you encounter don’t like being seen as being at a disadvantage and will embellish the truth or tell blatant lies. Sometimes you can’t believe what you’re hearing as is the case here.

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 10:32

UpToonGirl · 12/07/2025 08:46

Maybe she is considering moving her in the next year or so to a state and therefore she will be doing SATs?

You say she talks about her daughter a lot and you know she attends school events and is very involved but then you seem confused by the two conversations. To know her involvement means you probably know which scenario is more accurate (yours or your other colleagues convo with her). I do think you've gotten the wrong end and that she was asking about SATs as she was interested, SATs are shit for Y6 so maybe she meant IF her daughter was doing them she would struggle. Whether hypothetical doing them or actually doing them if there's a move on the cards.

You still haven't said why you're bothered even if she lied? It's not to do with work or anything relevant to your relationship so what's the harm? I went out for a mums night out the other week and according to most mum's their kids don't have screen time unless it's for educational purposes, maybe 1 or 2 might not but I don't believe out of 10 kids none of them get any screen time. I did internally roll my eyes and mentioned it to DH the next day but I don't really care if they want to pretend. People talk shit sometimes, I certainly do.

If she had said her daughter might move to a state school later and then do SATs, I would not have thought anything of it. But that is not what she said. She spoke as if her daughter would definitely be doing SATs, said she would not do well, and that there was no point in doing the 11 plus because she is not academic and just wants to play games. That is a very specific picture.

Then she told someone else that her daughter is already at a private school and is excelling. That school had already broken up which fits with her definitely being at private school and no need to do SATs. I am not confused about which version is more accurate, it is clear the second one reflects the reality. What I am pointing out is that what she told me was clearly not true.

As for why I am bothered, I think most people would feel a bit off if someone asked for their advice, shared what seemed like a genuine concern and then you find out the whole situation was a lie. I am not going around telling everyone about it or making a big deal at work. I came here to get it off my chest because it stuck in my head.

I know people talk rubbish sometimes and I do not expect full honesty from everyone all the time. But when someone comes to you directly for advice and gives you a version of events that turns out to be false, it naturally makes you question their sincerity. That's all.

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MikeRafone · 12/07/2025 08:48

You're just not getting it and clearly can't see this from a social point of view.

You interpreted the words and conversation as such - its an opinion - she sees the School as ordinary - you don't, you've decided its not a recent change.

I shall leave it there as Im beginning to feel belligerent & thats not the case for me

UpToonGirl · 12/07/2025 08:46

Maybe she is considering moving her in the next year or so to a state and therefore she will be doing SATs?

You say she talks about her daughter a lot and you know she attends school events and is very involved but then you seem confused by the two conversations. To know her involvement means you probably know which scenario is more accurate (yours or your other colleagues convo with her). I do think you've gotten the wrong end and that she was asking about SATs as she was interested, SATs are shit for Y6 so maybe she meant IF her daughter was doing them she would struggle. Whether hypothetical doing them or actually doing them if there's a move on the cards.

You still haven't said why you're bothered even if she lied? It's not to do with work or anything relevant to your relationship so what's the harm? I went out for a mums night out the other week and according to most mum's their kids don't have screen time unless it's for educational purposes, maybe 1 or 2 might not but I don't believe out of 10 kids none of them get any screen time. I did internally roll my eyes and mentioned it to DH the next day but I don't really care if they want to pretend. People talk shit sometimes, I certainly do.

temptemp2 · 12/07/2025 08:26

MikeRafone · 12/07/2025 08:24

Its not black and white

sometimes thing change in a very short space of time

I agree, life is rarely black and white and things can change quickly. But this was not a case of things suddenly changing. She spoke as if her daughter was going to sit SATs in the future, would not do well, and that there was no point trying for the 11+. She also described the school as ordinary.

Then a few weeks later she told someone else her daughter is already at a private school and excelling, and the school’s term had already ended, so it clearly was not a recent change.

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