Seriously thinking about leaving the UK

I agree 💯. It’s so tedious. If one think one can or thinks one can’t one is probably correct.

Extrapolated to if one convinces oneself it’s ’all Going to shit’, in ones head it probably will. And it’s all this country’s fault. So move elsewhere and see first - who will have you (what have you got to offer another country), and see how it works out.. Good luck!

Ps. I’ve lived in several other countries and travelled a lot, for context.

Where have churches turned into mosques?

They haven’t but some really want to believe the bs. Churches are more likely to be turned into luxury apartments.

If you have money, most places work well for you. Unfortunately for humanity, most people don’t have much money, really. And this equality gap is widening every day.

Just an example

https://amp.dw.com/en/4-rich-africans-reportedly-wealthier-than-half-the-continent/a-73220927

Bye👋 I’m honestly getting so bored of these people saying ‘it’s all going to shit’. Go then and you’ll find out these things are pretty global!

My family have been working overseas since my Dad moved to Norway in the 80s. Most skilled ex pats do contracts for a few years and then come back, it is a small number who stay away.

Migration is mostly skilled workers and academics, countries who seek to curtail that will fall behind.

I say this as someone from a family who have lived all over the world. It is worth going, just so you can appreciate that things are not as bad as the Daily Mail and GB News make out. All my family have eventually moved back as they got older, because even the creaking system and proximity to family is still better than where they were.

Canada is expensive. As is Europe. If you want make a saving my Mum went to China as a teacher in her late 50s, although that is harder now to get a visa above the age of 40. Thailand is a good life, lots of retired ex pats out there. You have to get used to the quirks and corruption.

Dubai is great but expensive, and you will probably need to work to get a visa.

Honestly though, it is easy to think the grass is greener. Generally it isn’t as bad as you think.

That's not what they said, they said....
I have worked with a lot of ‘asylum seekers’ and 99% of them are economic migrants
99% of the ones they have worked with.
Got it?

The UK is having a hard patch. The NHS is a n
mess and my salary just goes in food costs but I recently visited a more prosperous and stable African country and even the most poverty stricken buts of the UK did not compare.
We are incredibly lucky to live in this country. It’s saying something when Norway,Switzerland.Denmark,France and parts
of the US - are the only places with a ‘better’ lifestyle.

It really brought it home to me how bad the uk is now when coming back from Malaga and Amsterdam. Both places were very clean , no homeless / druggies / drunks on the streets that we saw , no antisocial behaviour , polite friendly people , efficient transport systems , very visible police patrols . Not cheap places but far better first impressions as a tourist .

I have a lot of financial problems, and I don't always get the healthcare I need, but I'm reminded why I love this country when I travel out of the metropolis and visit other parts of the UK.

I love a local museum. I like to visit the municipal museums across the country. We have SO MUCH culture and history here. I love our beaches, our forests, our national parks. I love the English Heritage and National Trust. (The NT for Scotland is cool too) People are so funny, and kind, and helpful. Often people with absolutely nothing will be generous with their time for you. Sure, this doesn't pay my bills but there's so much more to life than just money.

There are people who want to exploit the UK, both its people and its lands, in a very negative way, but we should always resist that. If you've fucked off to another country, you leave your home defenceless. Thankfully we can still lawfully protest (just about), we can lobby people, we can make a big noise. Why leave when you can try and make things better?

We need better laws, with fewer loopholes, and we need a better, fairer tax system. We've got to keep telling the Government that. We need investment, sure, but we shouldn't accept it without exploring the consequences.

We have a good sense of justice, we hate corruption, we love the underdog, our national slogan is "sorry", we are diverse...

I don't know why people want to leave, unless they think the grass is greener, and I don't think it is. Worldwide there is still fallout from successive recessions and the COVID pandemic. Where on earth would I go to find a better standard of living? I struggle to know.

I know a lot of Eastern European going back to their country and having a great life. My cousins married a polish lady, they moved with their 3 and 6 yo two years ago, they have great jobs in fin tech, make the same salary they used to make in London, nice house with a pool, great schools, health care is superior than the uk and they have a very good disposable income to save, travel and have fun. They will be buying a house in Italy soon. They remind me of people in the 60s I talk at work, relatively senior positions at work, being in management their working life, they have nice houses, were able to raise kids with help without problems and they all have great savings and a house in Spain/france and they are talking about retiring and travelling. People in their 30/40s in the same jobs they were are renting or with huge mortgages and for sure they are not buying houses abroad.

Exactly that. I do feel lucky to be living in Ireland, yes theres lots of negatives but I think a lot of people don't realise just how lucky/good they have it here. While not perfect, in any way, it has so many positives.

I grew up in Finland and have similar thoughts. Lived in a few countries, now been in the UK close to 15 years but looking to move back to Finland at some point. The quality of life is so much better, the access to nature, lack of overcrowding, public services that are quick and efficient, safety… there are so many things I only appreciate now that I have lived elsewhere. My British husband feels the same and would love to Finland today if it was feasible with our jobs etc!
Obviously there are many things we love about the UK but I’m not sure it is going to get any better.

Are you saying that based on your anecdotal experience, that 99% of asylum seekers are economic migrants? If you are, just give over - stop spouting absolute nonsense.

I quite like Streeting

I have worked with a lot of ‘asylum seekers’ and 99% of them are economic migrants

As others have said, be mindful that the grass isn't always greener.
I've lived in the south of England, southern US, southern Spain, and the south of France - multiple locations in each. I've also travelled a fair amount. Each country and county (or equivalent) has it's pros and cons.
In my experience, a number of European countries have just as many issues as the UK, if not more. It's just we don't necessarily have all of the exact same problems. And a decline in society is widespread, even in parts of Canada.
The best thing to do is research places of interest. Make sure your research includes the legal and banking systems (take the south of Spain as a learning point - property taken off you, property demolished, finances frozen etc). Then rent an Airbnb in your area of interest for 6-12 months. This is a reasonable amount of time to decide if you really like the place. If you're able to rent somewhere for 6 months with an option to extend for a further 6, that would give you an opportunity to move on if you decided fairly early on it's not for you, but also give you the option of experiencing every season if you did like it. This is important to appreciate changes in climate, sunshine hours, rainfall etc. And also to experience high and low season if you go somewhere that tourists frequent.
If you then decide you want to commit to moving overseas, my advice is either rent your house out and/or buy a smaller place you can return to. Because if you want to return for family or health reasons (often the case), the process won't be super stressful.
Anyway, I'd say don't let any comments put you off taking the plunge. Just make sure you do it with your eyes wide open without completely compromising your future financial stability.
You never know, you may leave but later return with a more positive viewpoint on the UK. That's what happened to me.

Would it be an option to grey nomad it for a few months of the year. Home always seems better when you have been away from it for a while. This is a good way to test the waters.

Visas are much easier too.

Edited to add: I moved from the UK to Australia 18 years ago and have never regretted it. My perspective might be skewed as I love it here - I can't imagine permanently moving countries and starting again.

Just go.

I also think that parts of the public sector work force are just not very good at their jobs. Look at all the major scandals - post office, infected blood, HS2, maternity care, met police, grooming gangs, cladding, water companies, student finance fraud… all in part caused by poor leadership, management and delivery in public sector organisations.

Canadian here and I live in UK. Petrol is cheaper there, but apart from that Canada is very expensive, similar healthcare problems (on its knees), food cost is through the roof. Add in mosquitos and . . .

What about Portugal? Google D7 Visa.

The right wing media have been quite positive about Wes Streeting. They are also right to be alarmed about the parlous state of the public finances.

I disagree with this, I think it's a Western Country issue, not a global one. If you have money, I'd look to a developing country many of them are becoming far superior (they are only a shit place to live if you are poor)

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I wondered too !

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · Yesterday 09:48
The UK. I live in East London. We have Sharia law in some parts round here already. The schools close for Eid etc.. there are literally no British shops on the high street...
Before you say "move" I was born here.
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You say 'some parts', that means not all of East London. There are plenty of parts of East London that are more culturally mixed, quite smart and popular now too. I wouldn't mind living there.