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Vanity sizing needs to be stopped

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SemperIdem · 10/07/2025 12:09

I appreciate this isn’t shiny new subject matter but it’s been really niggling at me the last few days.

I’ve relatively recently had a baby, back in my pre-maternity clothes if not quite at pre-maternity shape (granted I felt I was out of shape at the point of falling pregnant).

I bought a pair of jeans from Pull and Bear, size 10. They are absolutely enormous. There is not a chance I’m a size 8 at the weight I am. I then reflected how as a 5’6, barely 8 stone teenager, I was a size 10 in Topshop jeans. How am I, at a significantly heavier weight, still a size 10 anywhere let alone smaller than a size 10?

Am I being unreasonable to think that there must be a way to get shops to end vanity sizing, the variance between shop sizes is also ridiculous.

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cardibach · 12/07/2025 11:43

EBearhug · 11/07/2025 23:55

For me, it's about 1 stone for 1 size.

I’m really jealous when people say this. It’s easily 2 for me. I think it’s because I’m tall/large frame in the first place.

EBearhug · 11/07/2025 23:55

For me, it's about 1 stone for 1 size.

nearlynoon · 11/07/2025 21:28

It’s so annoying. Why can’t we have clothes sizes like men’s. They get to choose waist and length on trousers, not an arbitrary number made up by someone but different in every brand.

We should be able to choose boob, waist, hip size and leg length.

Bellyblueboy · 11/07/2025 21:19

I also think people wear clothes differently.

I watched a tik tok where a woman was trying on marks and Spencer clothes. My initial reaction was everything was too tight on her - but she thought they were perfect (she did look fabulous in fairness!). No one in the comments thought she was wearing clothes a size too small. So it’s me!

I recently tried on trousers - three sizes. All arguably ‘fit’ me but I preferred the look of the middle one. This lady would have picked the tighter trousers and some people go more baggy. so three different sizes, same body.

cardibach · 11/07/2025 20:57

Away2000 · 11/07/2025 18:03

You are reading into that it’s “fat bashing” when there was zero intention of that. You could actually go do some work to counteract prejudices instead of mindlessly jumping to conclusions.

Look at some of the comments. I’m neither responding mindlessly nor jumping to conclusions.

PhiladelphiaEagles · 11/07/2025 20:28

ForTheNightOrTheRestOfTime · 11/07/2025 09:05

It’s not being a size 6-8, it’s some people’s posts and their wording. Often I notice the same posters popping up on threads like this as well as food threads that show they have disordered eating.

A while back there was a thread that was very pro ana, discussing how little people ate, their small appetites, that they fitted into children’s clothes, that women’s clothes are just so big, them being horrified if they ate too much etc. Someone mentioned that many of the posters had previously posted a lot about food and saying they had eating disorders and it descended into a row with people trying to deny it. Mumsnet did delete the thread as it was really concerning and unhealthy. Unfortunately threads like this are often made by those struggling with food and body issues and I don’t think they’re always helpful.

Yes this. I think most people posting threads like this and using certain language as seen on posts on this thread and other have suffered disordered eating and body issues. Advanced search usually shows it if they haven’t name changed.

PersephonePomegranate · 11/07/2025 18:51

ThePoshUns · 10/07/2025 15:26

I agree. I tried on an outfit in Oliver Bonas. I am a 12 now and was a 12, 30 years ago, despite being significantly larger. Well a 12 was too big in there and I had to buy a size 10. I know I am definitely not a size 10! It’s ridiculous.

Some shops are notorious for generous sizing - Olly B is one of them!

cardibach · 11/07/2025 18:04

Away2000 · 11/07/2025 18:03

You are reading into that it’s “fat bashing” when there was zero intention of that. You could actually go do some work to counteract prejudices instead of mindlessly jumping to conclusions.

No, I’m go8ng from experience of this type of thread. I accept that @SemperIdem didn't intend it but worded it badly lots of posters joining have supported my previous observations that this is a way to criticise those over a size 6 for being fat and deluded.

Away2000 · 11/07/2025 18:03

cardibach · 11/07/2025 17:00

I can object to fat bashing without being insecure. I object to lots of different prejudices.
Several posters on here have said sizes are consistent over the years, though not between shops. You seemed to be saying they were consistently bigger.

You are reading into that it’s “fat bashing” when there was zero intention of that. You could actually go do some work to counteract prejudices instead of mindlessly jumping to conclusions.

cardibach · 11/07/2025 18:02

JohnTheRevelator · 11/07/2025 17:34

You saying about how you were a size 10 as a 5 ft 6 in 8 stone teenager made me think about how sizes have got gradually bigger over the last 40 odd years. When I was 18,I was 5 ft 6 in,weighed 9 stone and a size 12 fitted me perfectly. A size 10 wouldn't go anywhere near me,yet a size 14 swamped me. I'm now 13 and a half stone, and a size 16 fits me perfectly (most of the time!). I find it hard to believe I'm only 2 sizes bigger at 4 and a half stone heavier! I think today's size 16s are more like what an 18 was back in 1981.

That sounds about right. A size for me (significant recent weight loss) corresponds to 2 stone.

JohnTheRevelator · 11/07/2025 17:34

You saying about how you were a size 10 as a 5 ft 6 in 8 stone teenager made me think about how sizes have got gradually bigger over the last 40 odd years. When I was 18,I was 5 ft 6 in,weighed 9 stone and a size 12 fitted me perfectly. A size 10 wouldn't go anywhere near me,yet a size 14 swamped me. I'm now 13 and a half stone, and a size 16 fits me perfectly (most of the time!). I find it hard to believe I'm only 2 sizes bigger at 4 and a half stone heavier! I think today's size 16s are more like what an 18 was back in 1981.

cardibach · 11/07/2025 17:00

Away2000 · 11/07/2025 15:33

My point was clearly that it used to be a consistent size and now it’s not. Also not as simple as just buying a 6 since most clothes companies don’t stock that size. If you’re not insecure then why do you feel the need to jump on a post talking nonsense about “thick fatties” being blamed?

I can object to fat bashing without being insecure. I object to lots of different prejudices.
Several posters on here have said sizes are consistent over the years, though not between shops. You seemed to be saying they were consistently bigger.

JLou08 · 11/07/2025 15:49

I've never had an issue with sizing. I do wonder if people have issues due to the fit. When I was pregnant, and also post birth, I still fit in to some old size 8 clothes. I was no where near a size 8, it's just that some clothes are a loose fit or stretchy so I could still pull it off.
I'm now a size 12, I always order a 12 and it's always a comfortable fit. I can fit into some 10s as I've tried them when there has been no size 12 in what I want but I know that's not my actual size, it's just that the style allows it if its stretchy or loose fitting.

Drew79 · 11/07/2025 15:46

amicisimma · 10/07/2025 12:32

I've gained about half a stone in the last 40-odd years. I've also gone from wearing a 12 to an 8 (sometimes a 6 in M&S) in that time.

I've a old pair of size 12 jeans that I've kept for decorating and they are still a good, but fairly snug, fit.

Generally everyone in the UK/The west is getting fatter, so I guess this is is sizing inflation, much like grade inflation in education over time.

19lottie82 · 11/07/2025 15:37

That’s ironic you mention jeans being large from pull and bear. I ordered two pairs of jeans from asos recently, both the same size. One was pull and bear. I could hardly get them past my knees. The other were asos and they literally were so big they were falling off me.

Away2000 · 11/07/2025 15:33

cardibach · 11/07/2025 15:25

I’m not insecure thanks. You didn’t moan about inconsistency though. ‘Most’ clothes requiring a 6 is something else.

My point was clearly that it used to be a consistent size and now it’s not. Also not as simple as just buying a 6 since most clothes companies don’t stock that size. If you’re not insecure then why do you feel the need to jump on a post talking nonsense about “thick fatties” being blamed?

cardibach · 11/07/2025 15:25

Away2000 · 11/07/2025 15:21

It’s moaning about inconsistency in sizing nothing to do with people’s weight. Don’t project your insecurities onto everything.

I’m not insecure thanks. You didn’t moan about inconsistency though. ‘Most’ clothes requiring a 6 is something else.

Away2000 · 11/07/2025 15:21

cardibach · 10/07/2025 17:57

If most 8s are too big just buy a 6 surely?
Stop moaning that it’s the fault of thick fatties.

It’s moaning about inconsistency in sizing nothing to do with people’s weight. Don’t project your insecurities onto everything.

cardibach · 11/07/2025 10:52

LaurieFairyCake · 11/07/2025 09:54

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thanks, that would be great as hoping to walk the Camino in January and have no outdoorsy stuff

Off topic, but you’ll love it. I did Sarria to Santiago (115km) in May. Amazing experience.

FunnysInLaJardin · 11/07/2025 10:24

SemperIdem · 11/07/2025 10:18

Well not always, I didn’t realise it would be taken that way when I posted. You are not alone in taking my wording that way though. I’ve asked for the title to be amended this morning.

fair enough @SemperIdem

SemperIdem · 11/07/2025 10:18

FunnysInLaJardin · 11/07/2025 10:08

In which case your thread title was wrong. References to vanity sizing are always a criticism of those awful fat people who want to pretend they are still a 12

Well not always, I didn’t realise it would be taken that way when I posted. You are not alone in taking my wording that way though. I’ve asked for the title to be amended this morning.

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WhereIsMyJumper · 11/07/2025 10:16

Glowingup · 11/07/2025 01:29

Ridiculous. My friend weighs 7 stone 10 and shops in next with no problems.

Perhaps it’s in the kids section? Or is she buying homeware?
In all seriousness, I haven’t shopped in Next for quite some years so it may have changed. I don’t intend to shop there because I don’t like the clothes.

FunnysInLaJardin · 11/07/2025 10:09

Troubleclef · 10/07/2025 14:16

I agree. My mum was always a size 12-14 when I was growing up. That became a 10 and then an 8. It is pandering to overweight people.

and there it is, as if by magic

ImFckingMattDamon · 11/07/2025 10:08

cardibach · 10/07/2025 21:18

You don’t honestly expect us to believe this? We all shop in shops. Vanishingly few women are smaller than a Matalan 8. ‘All the slim women?’?

I'm one of those women! I'm 5ft 3 and have a bmi of around 21 yet Matalan size 8s are too big around the body. I do have a small frame though (need a 30 in bras to fit my rib cage properly). Some people are just built smaller structurally. I'm not complaining though, i do well in sales in most places as there are often lots of size 6s left!

FunnysInLaJardin · 11/07/2025 10:08

SemperIdem · 10/07/2025 14:20

Perhaps I didn’t articulate myself well in my opening post. My irritation is with the lack of consistency. Sizing simply doesn’t make sense. I don’t particularly care what size I wear let alone anybody else.

So no, it’s not a “fat bashing” thread. HTH.

In which case your thread title was wrong. References to vanity sizing are always a criticism of those awful fat people who want to pretend they are still a 12

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