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AIBU to say that graduation ceremonies are not the place to make political statements?

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anythingbutlillies · 09/07/2025 20:53

Hard hat on.

DC's graduation today. Fabulous day, but it did not sit well with me that a few chose to unfurl a flag / raise a scarf while they were on the stage.
Just no! So very selfish.

Interested to hear if I am being precious?

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Iwantitidontwantit · 11/07/2025 13:03

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:15

False equivalence. If it's an invite-only occasion, it's not public. And if people want to be activists, wear a pin on your gown, have photos outside with your flag. People are there to watch their loved ones graduate, not sit through a political broadcast.

First it was ticket only, now it's invite only! Make your mind up!

I welcome every single opportunity for people to express their support for the civilians of Gaza. It that makes some people uncomfortable, then they need to take a good long look at their moral compass

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:41

HRTQueen · 11/07/2025 12:21

What are you talking about looking at one side to blame

no one is defending Hamas but what the Israeli government is doing is genocide and the west are not wanting to involve themselves

brown Muslim children are not seen as equal Palestinians are not seen as equal different language is used in reporting

the younger generations are the ones that will make a difference the media can’t be controlled as it once was we all see the true suffering now

Are you sure nobody is defending Hamas? Like nobody is defending Iran or the Houthis?

If you only speak out about the wrongness of one party among several, it's going to look like you're taking sides.

PhiladelphiaEagles · 11/07/2025 12:37

I agree OP. I’d be pissed if this happened at my child’s graduation. My friends daughters graduation was hijacked by a group of students waving a different flag. The uni called security as they refused to move and left them hanging as to whether they would face any consequences. Fucking idiots.

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:36

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SamiSnail · 11/07/2025 12:25

BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 12:16

How does someone else holding a flag interfere with another person watching their loved on graduate?

Because it stirs hate (whether the flag waver means to or not) against Jewish people at the ceremony. That's why.

HRTQueen · 11/07/2025 12:21

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 11:16

I think everyone can agree on that. As I say, the victims are almost always the most weak and vulnerable. I can see how it's tempting to look for one side to blame but that is so divisive and unhelpful, it really plays into the hands of those with an interest in keeping this conflict going forever.

What are you talking about looking at one side to blame

no one is defending Hamas but what the Israeli government is doing is genocide and the west are not wanting to involve themselves

brown Muslim children are not seen as equal Palestinians are not seen as equal different language is used in reporting

the younger generations are the ones that will make a difference the media can’t be controlled as it once was we all see the true suffering now

Swiftie1878 · 11/07/2025 12:21

Comedycook · 11/07/2025 11:58

So what other events do you think it would be appropriate to do this at? Someone's wedding? Birthday party? Baby shower?

This was a student event where students protested. Totally appropriate.
Let’s stop trying to shut people up, please.

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:20

BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 12:16

How does someone else holding a flag interfere with another person watching their loved on graduate?

She says, to someone who finds flag waving divisive and unhelpful.

It would make me wonder why someone is using a celebratory event to make some sort of point as though they imagined they were at Glastonbury. For many reasons, my daughter getting to the point of graduating is the culmination of a lifetime's struggles and not something we thought we'd ever see. Frankly fuck off with your flag shagging. Save it for people who want to see it instead of foisting it on everyone else.

Kchs232 · 11/07/2025 12:19

Nah fuck that keep politics out of it bullshit. Politics affect us all, whether you like it or not.

If the UK was under attack and we were all being burned alive, starved and blown up then I'd want the world to be talking about it, not brushing it under the carpet because "politics" isn't for the dinner table.

BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 12:16

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:15

False equivalence. If it's an invite-only occasion, it's not public. And if people want to be activists, wear a pin on your gown, have photos outside with your flag. People are there to watch their loved ones graduate, not sit through a political broadcast.

How does someone else holding a flag interfere with another person watching their loved on graduate?

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ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:15

Iwantitidontwantit · 11/07/2025 12:13

I didn't say it was a free for all. If you sell tickets to it, it's a public event. Please tell me the last wedding or Birthday party you went to where you had to pay for a ticket?

False equivalence. If it's an invite-only occasion, it's not public. And if people want to be activists, wear a pin on your gown, have photos outside with your flag. People are there to watch their loved ones graduate, not sit through a political broadcast.

BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 12:14

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:13

If you don't mind, I was talking to another Jewish poster about our shared experience. Not everything has to involve you, and Jewish posters don't owe you an explanation.

You mean you're incapable of providing a reasonable one.

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:13

BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 12:07

What was the purpose of your saying 'Oh but we're Jews and we eat children's blood in our matzos' in a thread where people are criticising Israel?

And I'd love if you could address my other point. If the sources I've shared are all misinformation, where should we be getting our information on Gaza from? What should I be reading to be considered informed on this issue by you?

If you don't mind, I was talking to another Jewish poster about our shared experience. Not everything has to involve you, and Jewish posters don't owe you an explanation.

Iwantitidontwantit · 11/07/2025 12:13

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:03

If you're graduating or know someone who is. It's not a free for all.

My daughter graduates this month. I bought tickets. Didn't know I could just wander in!

I didn't say it was a free for all. If you sell tickets to it, it's a public event. Please tell me the last wedding or Birthday party you went to where you had to pay for a ticket?

Comedycook · 11/07/2025 12:09

A graduation is a life event...that celebrates many people. It's disrespectful imo to hijack that event to make your own political point. It also achieves absolutely nothing...

anythingbutlillies · 11/07/2025 12:08

Iwantitidontwantit · 11/07/2025 12:01

What a ridiculous thing to say, those would be private events. A graduation ceremony is a public event that you buy tickets to.

Err, no it's not!
Definitely not a public event 😂
Definitely didn't buy a ticket!

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BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 12:07

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:02

Not sure why you're lecturing me but crack on if it makes you happy. I'm as critical of the hard right Israeli government as anyone yet people feel the need to explain to me very carefully that #notallJews. And the careful explainers are never actually Jewish themselves.

What was the purpose of your saying 'Oh but we're Jews and we eat children's blood in our matzos' in a thread where people are criticising Israel?

And I'd love if you could address my other point. If the sources I've shared are all misinformation, where should we be getting our information on Gaza from? What should I be reading to be considered informed on this issue by you?

BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 12:04

Comedycook · 11/07/2025 11:58

So what other events do you think it would be appropriate to do this at? Someone's wedding? Birthday party? Baby shower?

This isn't a relevant comparison. Universities are major investors and lots of them invest in companies which contribute to, fund or facilitate Israel's actions in Gaza. Displaying flags at a graduation is a way of showing support for university divestment campaigns. That's not going to be the case at someone's wedding.

Not to mention that a graduation is about the people graduating; they can use their time on stage for activism if they wish. Someone else's wedding, birthday or baby shower is about the couple or individual celebrating; it's not an opportunity for a guest to make the occasion about their beliefs.

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:03

Iwantitidontwantit · 11/07/2025 12:01

What a ridiculous thing to say, those would be private events. A graduation ceremony is a public event that you buy tickets to.

If you're graduating or know someone who is. It's not a free for all.

My daughter graduates this month. I bought tickets. Didn't know I could just wander in!

ForWittyTealOP · 11/07/2025 12:02

BeachPossum · 11/07/2025 11:47

Who said anything about TikTok? I've shared reports from the British Red Cross, the BBC, the Guardian, the UN, NBC and The Economist. Are all of these sources perpetrating lies and misinformation? What should I be reading if these are all inadequate sources of information?

And to be clear, every single criticism I have expressed is of Israel - its government and the IDF, and the war crimes they have committed. I have said nothing about Jewish people, and I completely refute any suggestion that criticism of Israel is antisemitic. I see far more criticism of Israel from Jewish people than support for it, both online and in real life.

Not sure why you're lecturing me but crack on if it makes you happy. I'm as critical of the hard right Israeli government as anyone yet people feel the need to explain to me very carefully that #notallJews. And the careful explainers are never actually Jewish themselves.

Iwantitidontwantit · 11/07/2025 12:01

Comedycook · 11/07/2025 11:58

So what other events do you think it would be appropriate to do this at? Someone's wedding? Birthday party? Baby shower?

What a ridiculous thing to say, those would be private events. A graduation ceremony is a public event that you buy tickets to.

DemBonesDemBones · 11/07/2025 11:59

I wore a Palestinian flag shawl to a formal ball a few weeks ago. I’ll wear it as a scarf this winter.

Comedycook · 11/07/2025 11:58

Iwantitidontwantit · 11/07/2025 11:50

Students have always historically been at the forefront of activism. Maybe those Students are sick of watching the atrocities unfold in Gaza and feel the need to scream about it from the roof tops, I know I do.

I've been on demonstrations, I email my mp, I send money to charities helping, I try and spread awareness because I cannot just sit and watch it. All with the support of my government! Well not in my name and I expect those students feel the very same way.

So what other events do you think it would be appropriate to do this at? Someone's wedding? Birthday party? Baby shower?