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AIBU to say that graduation ceremonies are not the place to make political statements?

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anythingbutlillies · 09/07/2025 20:53

Hard hat on.

DC's graduation today. Fabulous day, but it did not sit well with me that a few chose to unfurl a flag / raise a scarf while they were on the stage.
Just no! So very selfish.

Interested to hear if I am being precious?

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thepariscrimefiles · 10/07/2025 09:26

SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 04:04

Or maybe they might think what's happening there is none of our business, and we should stay out of the affairs of other countries and worry about our own country.

Well apart from selling arms to Israel, we are pretty much staying out of this. We certainly aren't doing anything to help the Palestinians. The BBC wouldn't even broadcast a documentary that they made. Channel 4 had to step up.

The UK isn't big enough or important enough to go down the isolationist route. Do you really think that what happens elsewhere in the world doesn't impact us?

TheGrimSmile · 10/07/2025 09:23

MaturingCheeseball · 10/07/2025 09:15

This thread is being rather dominated by those committed to the cause - fair enough.

But I maintain that “protesting” at an academic occasion is performative.

I also maintain that if I were to ask most students exactly what they were protesting/supporting they’d have no clue. Exactly the same as all those chanting at Glastonbury: it’s all good fun and all about the moment.

Well of course, all protesting is performative. It is a way to get a cause seen and talked about. I don't think it's fair to say that the person protesting doesn't care about Palestine. How can people not care? If students stop protesting about things then we are well and truly fucked as a society - and to be honest, we are heading that way. We need to be more like the French and less like Americans.

DemBonesDemBones · 10/07/2025 09:20

When there is a genocide happening it’s always time for ‘political statements.’ I would have been very, very proud of my child if they’d done this.

Topseyt123 · 10/07/2025 09:18

MaturingCheeseball · 09/07/2025 22:39

At DD’s graduation students were warned that their degree would be revoked if there was any nonsense at the ceremony. What if everyone waved a flag of some sort?

I am glad to hear that. It sounds effective.

Some students pulled this stunt during my DD's graduation last year. It spoiled it for everyone else and their families and nobody cared about the points they were making. Twats! I wish her university (Cambridge) had taken such a stance.

MaturingCheeseball · 10/07/2025 09:15

This thread is being rather dominated by those committed to the cause - fair enough.

But I maintain that “protesting” at an academic occasion is performative.

I also maintain that if I were to ask most students exactly what they were protesting/supporting they’d have no clue. Exactly the same as all those chanting at Glastonbury: it’s all good fun and all about the moment.

Annoyedone · 10/07/2025 09:06

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Ah so only certain flags are ok in your book. And comparing the Israeli flag to the swastika. You’re letting your anti semitism show there sweetie. Tut tut.

Nn9011 · 10/07/2025 08:46

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weareallqueens · 10/07/2025 08:43

ExercicenformedeZ · 09/07/2025 23:58

YANBU. The usual omnicause performative bullshit. These people are unemployable numpties.

You think nobody that opposes the Palestinian genocide has a job? How closeted you must be.

Lins77 · 10/07/2025 08:42

anythingbutlillies · 10/07/2025 08:35

This!

Nowhere have I said all the statements made were all about Palestine.
It just clearly suits the narrative for many on this thread.

Just out of interest, what were the others?

SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 08:38

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Yet to many, the waving of the Palestinian flag is the equivalent of waving a swastika. Both are anti-Jewish and represent violence and death against Jewish people.

anythingbutlillies · 10/07/2025 08:37

noblegiraffe · 10/07/2025 07:39

Honestly it's FAR more upetting for anyone with a shred of decency that people like you are happy to watch the atocities Israel are committing and to think there is ANY moment that is inappropriate to speak out about it.

Love this. The suggestion that if you're pissed off about random virtue signalling on your child's special day that you are happy about what is happening in Gaza. Absolute smug self-righteousness of it all.

Perfectly put - thanks @noblegiraffe

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Ankleblisters · 10/07/2025 08:37

SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 08:26

But Israel can argue that Palestine committed genocide on 7/10. And as Palestine started it, many would feel Israel would have every right to someone represent it and defend it by waving the Israeli flag. As Israel were the original victims.

You have completely misunderstood. 'Palestine' didn't committed the terrorist atrocities on 7/10. Hamas did. Hamas are a terrorist organisation that took control of Gaza twenty years ago. They do not represent all or even a majority of Palestinians and every Palestinian I know was horrified by the attacks.
A terrorist attack should never justify the slaughter, maiming and starvation of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. It's a completely disproportionate response which is breaking international law.
Not even getting into the rights and wrongs of all the decades before that.

SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 08:36

Nn9011 · 10/07/2025 08:04

And where is that actually happening?

In the UK, in Australia, in America, for starters.

anythingbutlillies · 10/07/2025 08:35

BeachPossum · 10/07/2025 07:08

Where are you getting the idea that everyone did this?

This!

Nowhere have I said all the statements made were all about Palestine.
It just clearly suits the narrative for many on this thread.

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SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 08:34

BeachPossum · 10/07/2025 07:41

Did she say every single student unfurled a Palestinian flag? Clearly her own daughter at least did not.

You're determined to write off the activism of these students as a trendy bandwagon, because it allows you to be condescending and dismissive without engaging with the cause in any meaningful way. That's fine - do what suits you. You aren't their target audience anyway, and they don't care what you think.

Several universities have already commenced divestment from Israel in response to pressure from staff and students, including political protest. In light of that, I promise these students aren't worried about what some small-minded Pearl clutcher on mumsnet thinks about their actions.

I get what noblegiraffe is saying. It seems people are obsessed with Palestine as it's the latest trendy thing. What about Ukraine? It doesn't get one 10th of the attention bloddy Palestine (which I am sick to death of hearing about) gets. What about the plight of women in Afghanistan? Well, it only affects women, so no one cares enough to wave an Afghanistan or feminist flag in solidarity. The world was always run by men. And further, no one even cares about climate change anymore. It's like..... nothing, nothing matters more than Palestine now. It's herd mentality. Just once I'd like a student to care about something, anything else other than Palestine. I know people are being turned off Palestine now and can't care less because we are saturated with the topic.

SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 08:26

SnailPatronus · 10/07/2025 07:37

Of course not, because they’re committing genocide. But even if some people aren’t personally ok with it, isn’t that the whole point of political protest - to make people question how comfortable they are with something?

But Israel can argue that Palestine committed genocide on 7/10. And as Palestine started it, many would feel Israel would have every right to someone represent it and defend it by waving the Israeli flag. As Israel were the original victims.

crankycurmudgeon · 10/07/2025 08:17

It seems to be very vogue at the moment to tack on "FREE PALESTINE" to the end of completely unrelated statements on social media.

SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 08:15

CopperWhite · 10/07/2025 06:05

Palestinians are being killed, starved, held illegally and displaced in the name of Israel though, and let’s be honest, Israel started it.

That doesn't justify synagogues here being burnt, swastikas written on buildings here, and Jewish people here being attacked.

anythingbutlillies · 10/07/2025 08:11

wineosaurusrex · 10/07/2025 06:52

Well what are you upset about then? Honestly it's FAR more upetting for anyone with a shred of decency that people like you are happy to watch the atocities Israel are committing and to think there is ANY moment that is inappropriate to speak out about it.

Haven't you seen the numerous videos of parents carrying the bloodsoaked bodies of their innocent children through the streets? Didn't you see the 6 year old girl trapped in a car with her dead family, begging for help, before being delibately shot to pieces by Israeli soldiers? Don't you see the emaciated children dying slow, painful deaths because they've been delivately starved by Israel?

Universities have always been places where students bravely make political stands and speak out against injustice, cruelty, and evil. This has been the case throughout history - think of the White Rose movement, the students who were executed for speaking out against the nazis in German universities, or think about the anti-Vietnam war protests in the US. These students are intelligent, brave and on the right side of history.

If it slightly spoiled your day then you need to give yourself a serious talking to. There are a lot of mothers in Gaza who are spending today in unimaginable grief, mourning the horrific death of their child, while you're safe in the UK enjoying your child's graduation. It really makes me sick that you have the audacity to complain about this.

Where did I say it slightly spoiled my day?
Where did I say I'm not horrified by the atrocities?

I'm asking if graduation ceremonies are the right place to make a political statement (of any kind).

You think they are - thanks for your contribution.

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Nn9011 · 10/07/2025 08:04

SamiSnail · 10/07/2025 04:06

That's all well and good, if Synagogues weren't being burnt, swastikas written on buildings, and Jewish people being attacked, all in the name of defending Palestine.

And where is that actually happening?

healthybychristmas · 10/07/2025 07:53

It's attention seeking. God help their future employers.

noblegiraffe · 10/07/2025 07:50

BeachPossum · 10/07/2025 07:41

Did she say every single student unfurled a Palestinian flag? Clearly her own daughter at least did not.

You're determined to write off the activism of these students as a trendy bandwagon, because it allows you to be condescending and dismissive without engaging with the cause in any meaningful way. That's fine - do what suits you. You aren't their target audience anyway, and they don't care what you think.

Several universities have already commenced divestment from Israel in response to pressure from staff and students, including political protest. In light of that, I promise these students aren't worried about what some small-minded Pearl clutcher on mumsnet thinks about their actions.

I didn't say they all did. I said that the ones who did all had a Palestinian flag. Why no poignant solidarity with the women of Afghanistan who are denied an education and a voice? Why no demand for climate justice (that one seems to have gone completely out of fashion)?

5128gap · 10/07/2025 07:45

Soontobe60 · 10/07/2025 07:07

If you’re going to put numbers in, make sure they’re accurate.
This is from students who graduated in 2023.
83% of graduates were in employment or unpaid work, the majority of which (61%) were in full time employment, an increase of 5 percentage points compared to 2018–19. Of these, 11% were in part-time employment, and 10% a combination of employment and further study. A further 6% were in further study.

The proportion of graduates that were unemployed (5%) was the same as those that graduated in 2021 and 1 percentage point lower than in 2019

What this data doesn't say is what types of jobs those graduates were employed in.

https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/latest/insights-and-analysis/what-did-graduates-do-after-higher-0

The numbers vary depending on source, year, what's counted as employment and time since graduation. However even taking your conservative figure of 83% it still makes nonsense of the pp comment these young people are 'unemployable', doesn't it? Yet is my figures you choose to quibble with, rather than that baseless generalisation.

Strawberrryfields · 10/07/2025 07:44

MorningLarkEchoes · 10/07/2025 04:16

Exactly. And I bet none of them waved a Ukrainian flag.

They have approximately 10 seconds on stage, do you expect them to pull out 50 flags like a magician’s handkerchief?
There’s so many awful things happening in the world, with your attitude no one would ever be able to support/ protest anything. I donated to a cancer charity last week, it doesn’t mean I don’t care about heart disease.