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LargeDeviation · 09/07/2025 14:39

AstraZeneca (the UK's most valuable company) has said they are thinking of delisting from the London Stock Exchange with a view to list in America. Other companies like Invidia, TUI, have also delisted. ARM is of course another one that got away.

At the same time, billionaires and centimillionaires are leaving the UK at the greatest rate ever.

Each delisting leads to redundancies or lower future growth. Each billionaire lost needs the equivalent of thousands of median income taxpayers to make up the tax lost.

What would you do to stop the rot? My solutions:

  1. Incentivise listings: Allow extremely large bonuses and executive remuneration as long as they are tied to long-term performance. Remove stamp duty on shares. Bring back reduced oversight for AIM etc so small companies can easily list. Actively invest government funds in high-tech incubator companies (as long as it's done by the likes of the Vaccine Taskforce, not by idiot civil servants whose idea of good governance was to try to obstruct the OneWeb investment).

  2. Incentivise share ownership in UK companies. Reduce dividend taxes. Revive the idea of the British ISA from Jeremy Hunt. Introduce low long-term capital gains tax rates (as many other countries have) to encourage long-term investing. Simply cutting Cash ISA allowances won't help.

  3. Encourage entrepreneurs and the rich to come to Britian rather than leave. Reverse the non-dom changes. Large increases in IHT allowances, cut the top rate of income tax. These tax cuts can be conditional on providing a large number of jobs to British workers to make them politically palatable.

  4. Cut corporation tax back to 20%. Sunak made a huge error in increasing corporation tax.

  5. Ditch the Rayner changes which makes Britain even more uncompetitive.

Of course Labour won't do any of the above (or even acknowledge that companies/investors leaving the UK is a problem)...

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Nagginthenag · 11/07/2025 20:51

If you have a read around, many are probably paid much less - evidently the pressure to work 60 hours a week is intense, and many employees seem to be paid the equivalent of £35 - £40k equivalent, so not great (and that's for analyst roles, not the cleaning staff), and ridiculously low for someone working a 60 hour week.

What about Amazon - do you think their warehouse staff are paid fairly, considering their toil has put Bezos where he is?

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 20:42

Nagginthenag · 11/07/2025 20:39

Most of these multi billionaire types only got where they are by paying thousands of people minimum wage.

Do spacex employees get paid minimum wage?

Nagginthenag · 11/07/2025 20:39

Most of these multi billionaire types only got where they are by paying thousands of people minimum wage.

BIossomtoes · 11/07/2025 20:21

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 20:19

I don't need to. However if others need to, it's doable.

Very easy to say from the rarified atmosphere of your ivory tower. Try reading the room.

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 20:19

BIossomtoes · 11/07/2025 19:48

Yes, we know. We also know that you don’t even work full time. Maybe you should practise what you preach.

I don't need to. However if others need to, it's doable.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2025 20:18

firef1y · 11/07/2025 19:49

Maybe that's because they pay their fair share of taxes and dont try to weedle out of paying anything they can?
2 way street innit

There are fraudsters in all communities and in the grand scale of things wealthier people pay a far higher % in this country than others. It’s not like there’s no lower threshold and everyone pays 20% on everything. You earn more you start paying a higher % on that. You earn less you pay a lower % and for those on less than £12570 you pay nothing! and are entitled to benefits

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 20:12

firef1y · 11/07/2025 19:49

Maybe that's because they pay their fair share of taxes and dont try to weedle out of paying anything they can?
2 way street innit

Why is their "fair share" always a larger % that anyone else is expected to pay

firef1y · 11/07/2025 19:49

DrPrunesqualer · 09/07/2025 15:00

Maybe the population don’t hate them so much. Perhaps there’s less vitriol towards them. If you experience hate in an environment it’s natural to move away from it.

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Maybe that's because they pay their fair share of taxes and dont try to weedle out of paying anything they can?
2 way street innit

BIossomtoes · 11/07/2025 19:48

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 14:34

I've also been thinking 80 hour weeks aren't all that bad.

There are 7*24 = 168 hours in a week

You sleep 8 hours a day that's 112 hours left.

You work 80 hours. You have 32 hours left each week for recreation

Yes, we know. We also know that you don’t even work full time. Maybe you should practise what you preach.

helphelpimbeingrepressed · 11/07/2025 19:46

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 18:17

Rishi Sunak specifically said that Liz Truss would cause a mess and she did.

HS2 costs have overrun due to the stupid planning laws in this country. The COVID loans were done with minimal vetting due to the extent of the crisis and that they immediately needed to help people. Chasing every single fraudulent claim would have had costs as well.

His fines were just political opportunism. Especially the partygate fine, he did absolutely nothing wrong. He just entered a meeting room too early and happened to walk into an impromptu celebrations.

Rishi Sunak also wanted to end the sick not culture and get more people working. Rishi Sunak believes in work

Hs2 costs have mostly risen due to the utterly abysmal construction contracts used. A competent organisation would not agree what are effectively cost plus contracts where the construction firms invoice their costs plus overheads and profit - there is no fixed price or even inflation linked price so wage and overspending is encouraged all the way down the subcontractors and consultants.

EasternStandard · 11/07/2025 18:25

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 18:17

Rishi Sunak specifically said that Liz Truss would cause a mess and she did.

HS2 costs have overrun due to the stupid planning laws in this country. The COVID loans were done with minimal vetting due to the extent of the crisis and that they immediately needed to help people. Chasing every single fraudulent claim would have had costs as well.

His fines were just political opportunism. Especially the partygate fine, he did absolutely nothing wrong. He just entered a meeting room too early and happened to walk into an impromptu celebrations.

Rishi Sunak also wanted to end the sick not culture and get more people working. Rishi Sunak believes in work

He also said Labour’s economic plans wouldn’t work and we’re looking at slow anti growth measures impacting rn. Then autumn budget with higher taxes incoming.

The partygate thing was ridiculous, walking into a meeting and having a drink. Nonsense

People wanted Starmer and co so we’ll see how it goes. Not too well going by ratings.

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 18:17

Alexandra2001 · 11/07/2025 17:58

Ha ha He and his party created the storm though didn't they? Truss, uncontrolled spending, corruption, look at HS2 and Sunak writing off £29billion of spending... highest asylum pp spending in the world.... unbelievable really.

So you think his fines were all part of a conspiracy, the authorities out to get him, maybe it was Murdoch because his parents didn't have Sky?

#PoorRishi

Inflation is one of those things govts have little control over, now they cannot even set interest rates.

Nope, i don't want more state support, i want less, people should, when at all possible, stand on their own 2 feet & work, so i don't agree with the wasteful WFA changes, far to generous.

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Rishi Sunak specifically said that Liz Truss would cause a mess and she did.

HS2 costs have overrun due to the stupid planning laws in this country. The COVID loans were done with minimal vetting due to the extent of the crisis and that they immediately needed to help people. Chasing every single fraudulent claim would have had costs as well.

His fines were just political opportunism. Especially the partygate fine, he did absolutely nothing wrong. He just entered a meeting room too early and happened to walk into an impromptu celebrations.

Rishi Sunak also wanted to end the sick not culture and get more people working. Rishi Sunak believes in work

Thepeopleversuswork · 11/07/2025 18:08

Buggabootwo · 09/07/2025 15:55

Back to the original question about listing…. Part of the problem is that the London markets are illiquid because there has been such a large capital outflow over the last 5-10 years. As such London valuations are lower than the equivalent on other exchanges. Even small caps are looking at moving to non U.K. exchanges like Euronext or the German Entry Standard. The solution is to deal with the harm that Brexit has done to the City, whether it is exchange cooperation, clearing, etc.

This problem has not been made by one year of Labour, it is the direct impact of reduced European (and hence global because many deals were EU wide and we left them and didn’t replace with our own) cooperation and integration in the financial markets.

Thank you.

The main reasons the City is in the dire state it is now are:

a) the huge drift of pension funds out of UK equities, some of which is because of government policy, some of which is to do with pension funds' risk aversion, much of it is to do with a negative spiral caused by the damage to stock valuations from Brexit...

b) Brexit itself. I know how these threads always go so shoot me, but it was blindingly obviously at the time that decoupling the London market from continental Europe was going to have a seriously negative impact on our markets. But that, of course, was waved away as "project fear".

One of the many many bitter ironies about Brexit is that many of the people who have benefited most from the historical strength of the City of London (people in the satellite towns in Kent and Essex who were massively enriched by working in the City or industries connected to it) were the people who voted in this massive act of economic self-sabotage in the interests of "taking back control". I know we're not allowed to call them idiots but at the very least its fair to say they weren't thinking straight.

Deep sigh....

Alexandra2001 · 11/07/2025 17:58

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 13:50

His 2 fines were BS. For Boris' birthday party in 2020 he happened to walk into a meeting room a bit early and just joined in and had some snacks and drinks in a room they were already having a meeting in.

When he was PM he was fined for not having a seatbelt in the back of a car in a video on social media.

In July 2024 inflation was around 2.2%. back down to normal levels

As for the negative growth and then the growth at the end. We had weathered the storm and had come out stronger thanks to Rishi

Ha ha He and his party created the storm though didn't they? Truss, uncontrolled spending, corruption, look at HS2 and Sunak writing off £29billion of spending... highest asylum pp spending in the world.... unbelievable really.

So you think his fines were all part of a conspiracy, the authorities out to get him, maybe it was Murdoch because his parents didn't have Sky?

#PoorRishi

Inflation is one of those things govts have little control over, now they cannot even set interest rates.

Nope, i don't want more state support, i want less, people should, when at all possible, stand on their own 2 feet & work, so i don't agree with the wasteful WFA changes, far to generous.

EasternStandard · 11/07/2025 14:48

Strawberrri · 11/07/2025 14:10

The U.K. needs rich people and rich companies to invest in stock exchange companies - we have few of either. And many of our rich people are Chinese or Middle Eastern or Indian with the freedom to invest anywhere.
Whenever some Cambridge research establishment comes up with anything it’s snapped up by Silicon Valley or similar.
I think we are stuffed but we could be doing more to get non workers working -there seems to be a shortage of tradespeople everywhere but many people on benefits.
And constant new regulations making it harder to employ people.
We need to toughen up and some pips need squeaked but govs are scared to do anything.

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When you read on here I think many don’t want it, they want to grow state support instead.

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 14:34

I've also been thinking 80 hour weeks aren't all that bad.

There are 7*24 = 168 hours in a week

You sleep 8 hours a day that's 112 hours left.

You work 80 hours. You have 32 hours left each week for recreation

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 14:20

Strawberrri · 11/07/2025 14:10

The U.K. needs rich people and rich companies to invest in stock exchange companies - we have few of either. And many of our rich people are Chinese or Middle Eastern or Indian with the freedom to invest anywhere.
Whenever some Cambridge research establishment comes up with anything it’s snapped up by Silicon Valley or similar.
I think we are stuffed but we could be doing more to get non workers working -there seems to be a shortage of tradespeople everywhere but many people on benefits.
And constant new regulations making it harder to employ people.
We need to toughen up and some pips need squeaked but govs are scared to do anything.

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For me. I think we should invest a lot in stem education and training. Apart from dysalculia and severe learning disabilities it shouldn't be seen as acceptable just to be "bad at maths".

Strawberrri · 11/07/2025 14:10

The U.K. needs rich people and rich companies to invest in stock exchange companies - we have few of either. And many of our rich people are Chinese or Middle Eastern or Indian with the freedom to invest anywhere.
Whenever some Cambridge research establishment comes up with anything it’s snapped up by Silicon Valley or similar.
I think we are stuffed but we could be doing more to get non workers working -there seems to be a shortage of tradespeople everywhere but many people on benefits.
And constant new regulations making it harder to employ people.
We need to toughen up and some pips need squeaked but govs are scared to do anything.

Strawberrri · 11/07/2025 14:00

jaws33 · 09/07/2025 14:56

Doesn't America make Americans pay taxes wherever you are?

Well that works if you want to remain American.
I didn’t think you paid tax in Texas…..

Does Texas Have a State Income Tax?
No, Texas does not have a personal or corporate state income tax. This means:

  • Individuals do not pay state tax on wages, salaries, or retirement income.
  • Businesses do not pay a corporate income tax.
Instead, Texas generates revenue through sales taxes, property taxes, and business taxes
BIossomtoes · 11/07/2025 13:58

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 13:55

Brexit allowed us to treat all immigration fairly. We didn't just prioritise from the EU, we treated the world fairly.

And look where that’s got us.

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 13:55

Brexit allowed us to treat all immigration fairly. We didn't just prioritise from the EU, we treated the world fairly.

Gagcaa · 11/07/2025 13:50

His 2 fines were BS. For Boris' birthday party in 2020 he happened to walk into a meeting room a bit early and just joined in and had some snacks and drinks in a room they were already having a meeting in.

When he was PM he was fined for not having a seatbelt in the back of a car in a video on social media.

In July 2024 inflation was around 2.2%. back down to normal levels

As for the negative growth and then the growth at the end. We had weathered the storm and had come out stronger thanks to Rishi

Alexandra2001 · 11/07/2025 13:33

Fk48fj · 11/07/2025 13:02

Reverse Brexit. We were warned before what would happen.

Yes, would be the biggest thing any Govt could do, whether its possible is another matter.

Yet another reason to know Sunak is incompetent, he is a hard core Brexitier.

EasternStandard · 11/07/2025 13:07

nearlylovemyusername · 11/07/2025 12:55

I remember job market was white hot in Sunak's time, we were struggling to find people despite huge packages on offer. How quickly this all changed with Labour coming in.

And imagine Sunak suggesting PIP reform like Labour did?

Rwanda deterrent scheme caused outcry, didn't small boats peaked in numbers this year?

ETA: this all is still irrelevant. This thread was about how we can stop investors leaving. Conclusion is we shouldn't try, we don't need them. Labour will sort our lives out.

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Yep agree with this and @Gagcaa

Anyway we are here now with Starmer and Reeves, plus the rest of Labour. They seem to have painted themselves into a corner, we'll see how they deal with negative growth results today and budget in Autumn.

Fk48fj · 11/07/2025 13:02

Reverse Brexit. We were warned before what would happen.