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LargeDeviation · 09/07/2025 14:39

AstraZeneca (the UK's most valuable company) has said they are thinking of delisting from the London Stock Exchange with a view to list in America. Other companies like Invidia, TUI, have also delisted. ARM is of course another one that got away.

At the same time, billionaires and centimillionaires are leaving the UK at the greatest rate ever.

Each delisting leads to redundancies or lower future growth. Each billionaire lost needs the equivalent of thousands of median income taxpayers to make up the tax lost.

What would you do to stop the rot? My solutions:

  1. Incentivise listings: Allow extremely large bonuses and executive remuneration as long as they are tied to long-term performance. Remove stamp duty on shares. Bring back reduced oversight for AIM etc so small companies can easily list. Actively invest government funds in high-tech incubator companies (as long as it's done by the likes of the Vaccine Taskforce, not by idiot civil servants whose idea of good governance was to try to obstruct the OneWeb investment).

  2. Incentivise share ownership in UK companies. Reduce dividend taxes. Revive the idea of the British ISA from Jeremy Hunt. Introduce low long-term capital gains tax rates (as many other countries have) to encourage long-term investing. Simply cutting Cash ISA allowances won't help.

  3. Encourage entrepreneurs and the rich to come to Britian rather than leave. Reverse the non-dom changes. Large increases in IHT allowances, cut the top rate of income tax. These tax cuts can be conditional on providing a large number of jobs to British workers to make them politically palatable.

  4. Cut corporation tax back to 20%. Sunak made a huge error in increasing corporation tax.

  5. Ditch the Rayner changes which makes Britain even more uncompetitive.

Of course Labour won't do any of the above (or even acknowledge that companies/investors leaving the UK is a problem)...

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PregnantBarbie · 09/07/2025 20:44

Much as I dislike the far right, the Left will drive this country into the ground if allowed to!

BIossomtoes · 09/07/2025 20:44

Sunak might have “supported” victims of the blood scandal but making the payments was another of the little messes his government left behind for its successor. Words are cheap.

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 20:35

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 19:58

Really? We have the highest growth in the G7 (in Europe) behind the US and Canada.

All people like you do is focus on the negatives, ignoring the simple fact that the Tories - who i assume you support - have left the country in an utter mess.

The latest is the Justice System.... along with Blood & PO Scandals, Roads, Health, Social Care, Education....

Maybe look at who you've been backing......

PO scandal was during Blair's rule? Blood victims were supported by Rishi?

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 20:31

ghostyslovesheets · 09/07/2025 19:53

Thankfully not all rich people feel the same
patrioticmillionaires.uk

Of course.

Patriotic Millionaires have about 60 members.
Total number of liquid millionaires in the UK is estimated to be 600,000

IamnotSethRogan · 09/07/2025 20:03

Isn't all this bollocks proof that the current economic system is absolutely fucked ? Like people are held accountable to actually contribute and they're like "nah"

Can't believe thousands of years of human existence and this is where we are.

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 19:58

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 19:53

If Labour continue doing what they're doing now there will be nothing left to tax by next GE

Really? We have the highest growth in the G7 (in Europe) behind the US and Canada.

All people like you do is focus on the negatives, ignoring the simple fact that the Tories - who i assume you support - have left the country in an utter mess.

The latest is the Justice System.... along with Blood & PO Scandals, Roads, Health, Social Care, Education....

Maybe look at who you've been backing......

ghostyslovesheets · 09/07/2025 19:53

Thankfully not all rich people feel the same
patrioticmillionaires.uk

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 19:53

If Labour continue doing what they're doing now there will be nothing left to tax by next GE

EasternStandard · 09/07/2025 19:47

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 09/07/2025 19:36

Cut taxes

We seem to be going the other way. Which is expected but still.

Maybe after next GE

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 19:36

UK is highly desirable place to invest, 2nd behind the USA but this does inc off-shore Islands.
But the $ is a reserve currency, the £ is not and the Tories made a lot of changes to the City of London which has made it a worse place to list... this needs un-doing.

Which Reeves is going to do but why did the Cons allow this to happen???

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 09/07/2025 19:36

Cut taxes

GeneralPeter · 09/07/2025 19:29

BallerinaRadio · 09/07/2025 15:14

Let's fawn over billionaires oh however will we cope without them and their tax avoidance schemes 😱 please stay and pay your workers pittance as you siphon your money abroad!

As pointed out above, rejoining the EU would be a good starting point.

Your comment is self-contradicting. If you don’t want profits going abroad you are basically saying you want less reliance on foreign capital. That’s what the OP wants too. If UK-based firms list overseas then the profits increasingly go overseas, as that where their investors are. And who do you think pays more UK tax: a billionaire who lives here or one who has left?

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 09/07/2025 18:55

Fine, but won't they eventually run out of customers who can afford whatever it is they're selling?

AndSoFinally · 09/07/2025 18:51

It's not marginal tax avoidance in the super rich that causes most of the problems, it's the fact that a third of working age adults pay no tax whatsoever.

We need to focus on both ends of the spectrum!

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 18:50

This so called dodge won't be closed in our lifetime. The entire global business is based on this. And there is also daddy Trump who will put you on naughty tariff step if you dare to touch his American businesses.

There is a discussion about harmonisation of corporation taxes across developed world though.

What you could do for now is to reduce corporation tax drastically, but ideology won't allow this.

Izthisit · 09/07/2025 18:23

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 18:06

Do you have any idea about difference between revenue and profit?

Both Amazon and Starbucks generate significant revenue here, but due to corporate structure they don't generate much profit. Through legal entities set up their profit is accounted for in lower tax jurisdictions.

If you attempt to change and tax revenue instead of profit you effectively nuke the entire country economy. And this would apply to local businesses as well.

And business do exit countries if they don't consider them profitable.

Yes - I completely understand the difference between revenue and profit. Large companies extract profit by calling it a licence fee and move the tax liability to a lower tax jurisdiction. That is the dodge that needs closing.
Agree that taxing revenue is not the answer.

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 18:15

Themomentsheknewshefkedup · 09/07/2025 17:56

I’m sure I saw something about them now giving visas to people who move here and invest a large sum of money

Tier 1 Investor visas (Golden visas) to the UK were abolished awhile ago.

Farage proposed Britannia card which would allow foreigners to pay £250k and settle here without paying any taxes on global assets/income. Scum from all over the world, Russia etc would be there in a week.

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 18:06

Izthisit · 09/07/2025 17:56

The truly rich don't care about what other people think of them. They will do whatever is best for them. The difference between them and the rest of us is that they have the choice where to live and pay taxes. Whilst I'd love the rich to pay more, they have the choice where to live and pay taxes. If the tax regime is hostile, they will move. Total revenue will fall and those on the levels below will end up paying more.
The rich can move and companies can move. The solution is that companies pay taxes in the country where profits are generated. Starbucks and Amazon aren't going to withdraw from the UK market.

Do you have any idea about difference between revenue and profit?

Both Amazon and Starbucks generate significant revenue here, but due to corporate structure they don't generate much profit. Through legal entities set up their profit is accounted for in lower tax jurisdictions.

If you attempt to change and tax revenue instead of profit you effectively nuke the entire country economy. And this would apply to local businesses as well.

And business do exit countries if they don't consider them profitable.

Themomentsheknewshefkedup · 09/07/2025 17:56

I’m sure I saw something about them now giving visas to people who move here and invest a large sum of money

Izthisit · 09/07/2025 17:56

The truly rich don't care about what other people think of them. They will do whatever is best for them. The difference between them and the rest of us is that they have the choice where to live and pay taxes. Whilst I'd love the rich to pay more, they have the choice where to live and pay taxes. If the tax regime is hostile, they will move. Total revenue will fall and those on the levels below will end up paying more.
The rich can move and companies can move. The solution is that companies pay taxes in the country where profits are generated. Starbucks and Amazon aren't going to withdraw from the UK market.

Markham66 · 09/07/2025 17:54

I’ve left already.

your point 1 says you still believe the State has a role in setting pay rather than leaving it to shareholders. That’s an issue.
it’s not hard to stop the departures but this government has no interest in doing so. They are about to find out you soon run out of other people’s money

HappiestSleeping · 09/07/2025 17:53

The horse has bolted regarding any thought of rejoining the EU. We would never get the same terms we had before, and all the business that has left the UK would likely not return anyway. I worked for one of the big for investment banks, who immediately moved thousands of people out of the UK to Frankfurt, Madrid etc. If you go to Canary Wharf, that big building with HSBC on it won't have HSBC on it much longer if it hasn't already gone.

Then there is employer's NIC...

I think the government are recognising the issues, however they shot themselves in the foot promising not to raise taxes, and by publishing stupid fiscal rules that they didn't need.

And they are worrying about the billionaires leaving the UK. As someone said above the overall tax revenue will drop significantly as the wealthy leave.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0lnzx73pl3o

King Charles III visits Cartwright Hall, an art gallery and community cultural space in Bradford, England on 15 May 2025.

The Sunday Times Rich List 2025: Billionaires fall as King rises

The King's personal wealth is now equal to former prime minister Rishi Sunak and his wife at £640m.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0lnzx73pl3o

Bluebellwood129 · 09/07/2025 17:41

Havanananana · 09/07/2025 16:35

In what way will the loss of AstraZenica be a huge blow to the UK?

It is the listing that is being moved, not the manufacturing plants, research facilities etc. Why is Labour refusing to agree to the deal negotiated by Hunt (the "appalling bungling of the vaccine plant") a bad thing if the Treasury concluded that it did not represent good value for the taxpayer? A feature of the last Conservative government was the willingness to be held to ransom by big businesses who threatened to quit if they didn't get millions in investment from the taxpayer - just look at the steel industry, the water utilities, the rail industry, or HS2.

It's not just the listing. It's also choosing not to invest.

How does Reeves haemorrhaging £40 billion of tax payers money in quantitative tightening represent good value for money?

Havanananana · 09/07/2025 17:40

@pickywatermelon "Well, I suppose it depends what you think “good value” is."

It depends on what the Treasury calculates as being "good value" for the taxpayer. In this instance, the Treasury decided that the terms did not represent good value.

"The VPAG agreement is incredibly unfortunate to the UK pharma market attractiveness - and as we are not in EMA anymore that adds a layer on top"

The VPAG agreement was made by the previous government; the same government that took the UK out of the EU and the EMA - although the market for drugs in the UK covered by the UK VPAG agreement is not really a deciding factor when considering where to list a company, as companies sell their products globally.

"It is a global economy"

Indeed, and in a global economy the biggest and most powerful groupings hold all the cards. The Brexit backers thought that the UK standing alone would, in the words of Boris Johnson,"prosper mightily" but so far they have been proven to have been wrong.

nearlylovemyusername · 09/07/2025 17:39

Havanananana · 09/07/2025 17:25

@nearlylovemyusername

So you think that Osborne, Hunt, Kwarteng, and Sunak did a great job during their 14 years in power?

A bunch of incompetents wedded to economic theories that have long-since been debunked. A group who somehow managed to increase public borrowing by trillions while at the same time overseeing a decline in vital public services and national infrastructure. A party that decided that leaving the EU would result in greater prosperity when in fact it has meant a 4% loss of GDP - or almost £100bn a year for the last 9 years. At least the pro-European Hammond had the decency to resign rather than back Johnson's Brexit delusions, and the likewise pro-European Javid resigned rather than have policy dictated to him by the unelected Cummings.

we are talking about RR though? why switch to other people?

Can you please enlighten me about competent decisions she made? the ones that promote growth?

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