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Neighbour has put political banner on his fence

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IonaJ · 08/07/2025 20:52

Our neighbour’s house has a fence which faces a fairly busy road. He has taken it upon himself to tie a political banner (think ‘vote X’) to that fence.

Before anyone says it, yes I know it’s his property. But said party are divisive and I worry there may be some unwarranted attention as a result.

Do you think we would be unreasonable to politely suggest it is taken down, or to compromise, only put there during election periods?

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PandoraSocks · 09/07/2025 07:14

Jennps · 09/07/2025 05:19

Yeah 4 years ago, bookies were offering best odds on the incumbent party winning the next GE. And look what happened. So you’re right, that shows that Labour will not be in power after the next GE.

Wow, what a pretzel of a response.

I will leave you to enjoy your fantasy of the grifting bigot being in power. Whatever gets you through the day, I guess.

LlynTegid · 09/07/2025 07:00

I would be asking them if they are standing as a candidate in the next local elections. Or perhaps if I could, looking at their social media to see if there is anything that could mean Reform would drop them as a candidate or party member.

Bridport · 09/07/2025 06:56

Don't worry OP. The poster will like all things pass.

I remember when the farmer's fields around the west country were postered with Vote Conservative signs. Now the area is mostly yellow and the Conservative posters are lining chicken runs.

Bridport · 09/07/2025 06:55

WhereIsMyJumper · 08/07/2025 23:14

Have you read their manifesto?

Reform don't have a manifesto.
They have some sort of list of pledges or 'contract'. i.e. an unbudgeted political wish list of notions like 'make school children proud of Britain by reviewing how history is taught'.

Cornishclio · 09/07/2025 06:47

WhereIsMyJumper · 08/07/2025 21:36

So you think it’s impossible for a Tory voter and a Labour voter to be friends? That’s wild!

I have voted for both in my time - have also voted Lib Dem. Where does that leave me? Must I only select my friends by first checking with political party they align with?

I have voted for all three mainstream parties too but reform is a far right wing party and as such I would look on people who voted for them differently.

I have a very good friend I have known for over 20 years who I recently found out voted reform and also admires Trump. I have to say I do look at her and her husband differently especially as little racist comments have started to creep in which I have shut down by making it clear I don’t agree with their politics. Obviously everyone is entitled to vote whichever way they choose but if there is a fundamental difference in values I think friendship would be difficult. They also have little critical thinking and just quote sound bites off YouTube so that irritates me.

Cornishclio · 09/07/2025 06:35

WhereIsMyJumper · 08/07/2025 23:14

Have you read their manifesto?

Yes

nomas · 09/07/2025 05:23

Scout2016 · 08/07/2025 23:12

Why? The majority of people have said you're being unreasonable to ask it come down.

You've done one of those AIBU threads where nearly everyone says YES but you decide you aren't. Why did you ask? It's 89% YABU at the moment.

The voting on AIBU isn’t binding on the OP.

Jennps · 09/07/2025 05:19

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:57

Well all I will say is if you had gone by what the bookies and the polls were predicting four years before the last GE, you would have been very disappointed.

PS I have already explained how the polls currently show that Reform won't be in government in Wales next year, unless they go into coalition with Labour or Plaid. Which seems unlikely.

Edited

Yeah 4 years ago, bookies were offering best odds on the incumbent party winning the next GE. And look what happened. So you’re right, that shows that Labour will not be in power after the next GE.

ColinOfficeTrolley · 09/07/2025 04:56

WhereIsMyJumper · 08/07/2025 21:36

So you think it’s impossible for a Tory voter and a Labour voter to be friends? That’s wild!

I have voted for both in my time - have also voted Lib Dem. Where does that leave me? Must I only select my friends by first checking with political party they align with?

Not really 'wild' though is it. I certainly couldn't be friends with someone who thinks Tommy Robinson is some kind of god and that brown people don't belong in this country.

If you think that's a difference you could put aside, then that's up to you.

Personally that's where I would draw the line and could not be friends with a Reform voter, because FUNDAMENTALLY, we would have zero interest common.

savagedaughter · 09/07/2025 03:13

DiscoBob · 08/07/2025 23:30

Haha. I was gonna say that. Mix with them?!

How do you know if you're mixing with them or not. Do they bear a tattoo with the local council's logo on their forehead, while walking round in shackles?

I cannot get over how fucking snobby some people are.

My brother dated a woman years ago whose daddy was something in Whitehall. He's clever, as were we all, well educated and had a good job in IT and she didn't know him when he was younger.

In conversation, she made some comment about how she wasn't allowed to play with kids from council houses when growing up, and he looked at her and said "You mean like me? You know I grew up in government housing?" She went red. They didn't date very long and I doubt she changed her views, middle class and upper middle class people have their fair share of bigoted idiots.

savagedaughter · 09/07/2025 03:04

I can't quite believe the entitlement in this question. Surely the OP is joking. Nobody - and I do mean absolutely nobody - will make any assumptions at all about any other house in the street.

Put up your own banner if it bothers you that much.

This'll be that tolerant left I've heard so much about over the years.

ToWhitToWhoo · 09/07/2025 01:48

FOJN · 08/07/2025 23:39

Ah but then there is always the risk of losing your sense of moral superiority if you humanise people who think differently to you.

I don't feel superior to the radical right; I fear them. I don't consider them as my inferiors; I consider them as my enemies. They would undoubtedly consider me as theirs.

And it's not 'anyone who thinks differently'; e.g. many of my friends are religious and I'm not.. And yes, not everyone who votes Reform is radical right, but there's a high chance that someone who keeps a Reform poster out when there's no election going on probably is.

ToWhitToWhoo · 09/07/2025 01:37

I sympathize with you, as (1) I hate Reform; and (2) it seems odd and inappropriate to have any election posters up outside of election time. However, it's not illegal, and the kind of people who would do it are unlikely to listen to your request; they'd just call you Woke. Best to ignore the poster.

CheekyFish · 09/07/2025 00:00

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:57

Well all I will say is if you had gone by what the bookies and the polls were predicting four years before the last GE, you would have been very disappointed.

PS I have already explained how the polls currently show that Reform won't be in government in Wales next year, unless they go into coalition with Labour or Plaid. Which seems unlikely.

Edited

Of course, but it’s the only data we have,

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:57

CheekyFish · 08/07/2025 23:44

I said your analysis runs counter to all polls and polling trends for the last 6 months, I was referring to your statement that Reform wouldn’t be the next government. I would probably ask you to provide evidence for how voting intentions in Wales and London presumably put another party other than Reform in Government.

I always go by the bookies personally,

Well all I will say is if you had gone by what the bookies and the polls were predicting four years before the last GE, you would have been very disappointed.

PS I have already explained how the polls currently show that Reform won't be in government in Wales next year, unless they go into coalition with Labour or Plaid. Which seems unlikely.

CheekyFish · 08/07/2025 23:50

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:42

Labour is still well ahead of Reform.

You have said in the past that you would vote Reform to get rid of Labour, if my memory serves me correctly.

Arguing with people on this thread is not going to change the data, but a lot can happen in 4 years so I wouldn’t get too worked up about it. In my opinion, Labour are only going to get more unpopular though.

TheNuthatch · 08/07/2025 23:49

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:42

Labour is still well ahead of Reform.

You have said in the past that you would vote Reform to get rid of Labour, if my memory serves me correctly.

Maybe I will, who knows.
Will you still vote Labour after everything they've done?

Manxexile · 08/07/2025 23:44

@CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone - "... I despair of politics where those who feel they are most liberal have some worrying authoritarian tendencies."

Hey - you should read The Righteous Mind: why good people are divided by politics and religion by Jonathan Haidt.

Those on the political left are more intolerant of different beliefs that those on the right.

Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives | TED Talk

The moral roots of liberals and conservatives

Psychologist Jonathan Haidt studies the five moral values that form the basis of our political choices, whether we're left, right or center. In this eye-opening talk, he pinpoints the moral values that liberals and conservatives tend to honor most.

https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_the_moral_roots_of_liberals_and_conservatives

CheekyFish · 08/07/2025 23:44

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:31

Can you tell me please how my analysis of Wales is wrong?

Is there a link to a poll for London next year that shows Reform will win big?

Is it not true that Reform has lost a third of its MPs?

I said your analysis runs counter to all polls and polling trends for the last 6 months, I was referring to your statement that Reform wouldn’t be the next government. I would probably ask you to provide evidence for how voting intentions in Wales and London presumably put another party other than Reform in Government.

I always go by the bookies personally,

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:42

TheNuthatch · 08/07/2025 23:37

Hope? I know you really really want to label me, but this is getting silly.

As for your previous comments, Labour are hemorrhaging support in London too, which I'm sure you already know.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-london-reform-conservatives-greens-liberal-democrats-poll-b1234351.html

Labour is still well ahead of Reform.

You have said in the past that you would vote Reform to get rid of Labour, if my memory serves me correctly.

Emonade · 08/07/2025 23:40

Dahliasrule · 08/07/2025 22:59

Our neighbour opposite put up a reform poster during the recent council elections. Our 14 year old DGS then put an EU flag up in his window. Neighbour retaliated by putting up a second bigger poster. Both are still up but we took down EU flag after the elections.

Love your DGS!

TheNuthatch · 08/07/2025 23:39

CanSeeClearlyNowTheRainHasGone · 08/07/2025 23:34

Apparently they're not the only person with a bigoted POV

And seems you're happy to embarrass yourself by implying that people should not be able to indicate their support for an approved parliamentary party just because you have a different view.

I despair of politics where those who feel they are most liberal have some worrying authoritarian tendencies.

Very true.

FOJN · 08/07/2025 23:39

Dymaxion · 08/07/2025 22:36

I could never eat Sunday lunch with a Farage loving Reform voter.

I could, people are more complex than a few political sound bites, I have had my opinions changed and have influenced other peoples opinions just by having a conversation. If you refuse to talk to those you disagree with, how can any compromise be reached ?

Ah but then there is always the risk of losing your sense of moral superiority if you humanise people who think differently to you.

TheNuthatch · 08/07/2025 23:37

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:34

I didn't say the current polls are wrong, did I?

I have set out why I think Reform's future is not as bright as you hope.

Hope? I know you really really want to label me, but this is getting silly.

As for your previous comments, Labour are hemorrhaging support in London too, which I'm sure you already know.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-london-reform-conservatives-greens-liberal-democrats-poll-b1234351.html

Labour 'sheds votes' in London to Reform, Tories, Lib Dems and Greens, new poll shows

Sir Keir Starmer’s party is on 32% - an 11 point drop since the general election last July, according to the new poll

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-london-reform-conservatives-greens-liberal-democrats-poll-b1234351.html

PandoraSocks · 08/07/2025 23:34

TheNuthatch · 08/07/2025 23:22

Ah, so the polls are all wrong and you're right. Thanks for clearing that up.

Where/when did I say I wanted a Reform government btw??

I didn't say the current polls are wrong, did I?

I have set out why I think Reform's future is not as bright as you hope.