To think drivers are some of the most self-centred people around?

The biggest delays on the road are traffic jams caused by sheer weight of traffic

And some piano tuners.

Agree. Certainly struck a chord with me !!. I’ll get my coat.

Its a specific junction with a pedestrian crossing I was referring to! Mostly college students on their phones trying to get to the chip shop.

“Ban those using the roads for pleasure.” Sounds like lockdown. “Minimise travel. Is your journey essential? A granny dies every time a non-essential journey is made.”

As for overtaking cyclists, most of them can be overtaken safely. But when it’s twenty of them, taking up the whole width of the lane, and going at about 25mph, it can be easier said than done.

Cyclists can also be passed safely. If you’re unable/confident to do so you should take some extra driver training.

The delays you speak of are perception. You’re delayed far more by traffic lights, parked cars and other drivers. Most drivers can’t even use merge in turns properly which would save them more time than any cyclist costs them.

Or the ones who ignore the red nan and just wander into the road at a junction as cars are turning into that road.

@TheNightingalesStarling I wonder if all of them really are just wandering out. I've been caught by this so many times not knowing a driver was planning to turn into a road I am crossing because they didn't indicate, and I do check before crossing. Not all junctions have pedestrian crossings and those that do sometimes have excessive wait times. I think a lot of drivers don't even see pedestrians, let alone understand that they use the car indicators to make decisions about crossing roads.

There’s plenty of drivers who use the roads for “pleasure”. They aren’t commuting, just driving around for the fun of it. In your absurd view they’d be banned too. Ironically, a cyclist using the road to travel to the woods to cycle in would be ok.

I think there have been enough sensible comments from other Mumsnetters on here to disabuse you of your position. All the best.

I find the people who walk down the middle of the road despite there being a pavement annoying when I'm trying to drive.

Or the ones who ignore the red nan and just wander into the road at a junction as cars are turning into that road.

But misy the drivers who act like dickheads outside schools, endangering their own children and the others.

I would say "road users" in general tbh. There are very twatty cyclists, car drivers, WVM, delivery drivers, pedestrians....not all, but definitely lots of road users!

You've heard the term mamil?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamil

Roads were indeed made for travel. First for horses, then bicycles and, more recently motor vehicles. Even ‘hobby’ cyclists are often travelling somewhere, such as scenic viewpoints, coffee shops, pubs etc. So, they’re using roads exactly as they’re intended to be used.

Except they are unlikely to kill or maim

Most cyclists I see have neither. What about those going for a leisurely Sunday drive, or driving their dog to a forest, or towing a caravan? Surely they’re clogging up the roads in pursuit of playing at their hobby?

Are horse riders allowed, or are people allowed to drive to their hobbies? Daytrip to the seaside?

No we don't. Those people aren't gardening on the road, they are travelling to do their hobby, which is what roads were made for, to travel.

Cyclists use them to play their hobby.

As for your suggestion that motorists should wait until they are stopped to use a touch screen. You do realise that quite a lot of cars have A/C settings within the touchscreen.

If the windscreen begins to fog up, are you suggesting the driver should just wait until the next junction to pull over and use their touchscreen . . .

To be fair I drive through our town every day and pedestrians or cyclists decide they’re just going to go now. Or people in scooters fly out in front of me. Or people glare at me if they cross in front of me as I’m stopped in traffic (and not at a Crossing!) It works both ways!

We don't allow anyone else to keep fit using a public road.

You don't set up a running machine on the outside lane of a dual carriageway.

You don't do squats in the middle of the road.

You don't set up a weight machine in the middle of a junction.

Cycling is the only hobby that is played on public roads.

If they are wearing lycia and riding a racing bike, they are playing their hobby.

Also pretty narrow minded to think that keeping fit is a hobby! Keeping fit benefits all of society in the long run.

Some, absolutely, and same with some (ok, many) smokers.

Well, any group has the capacity to behave in considerately, but the consequences of people in charge of massive metal hulks travelling at speed doing so are obviously much greater.

Yes, definitely. There was a Mont Python sketch years ago which had pedestrians on a busy street behaving like drivers. It was funny but made the point that most people (most, but not all…) wouldn’t dream of being so pushy, arrogant and selfish if they weren’t in a shiny metal box.

Some people are self centered

Strangely, some of those people drive cars, and some will do a million other things.

You've got your Venn diagram round the wrong way....