To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

Thank you, Sskka. That's interesting you are in the northeast. Obvs this is a stereotype (which nevertheless often are somewhat true) but the idea of Northern people being often more likely to disapprove of gay relationships (and more likely to hold sexist attitudes) does seem to hold some water. I don't think it is that likely to be accurate to generalise about Gen Z, or even Gen Z men as a whole, from the behaviour you have witnessed.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.sr-news.com/2018/05/03/the-rise-of-homophobic-attacks-and-incidents-in-the-north-east/%23:~:text%3DThere%2520have%2520been%2520more%2520than,of%2520187%2520attacks%2520and%2520incidents.&ved=2ahUKEwih3MyltbqOAxVIUEEAHSeBM1UQFnoECBMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw27sl8pUd2hlq98MFsrL2Wl

https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/lgbtinthenecurrentdraft2/251516860

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/girls-girlguiding-england-government-london-b2209715.html&ved=2ahUKEwjhz5awtrqOAxXPZUEAHbgJGYkQFnoECDIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1PTDPq0XwgbyoDm9CDVjqR

https://theconversation.com/what-its-like-growing-up-as-a-girl-in-the-north-of-england-104615

People can’t help feeling what they feel.

people can’t help being “mildly disapproving” of gay people? “That’s tolerance”? Really?

I suspect what is happening here is projection..

@AliasGrace47 Thanks for that. The north east, but no I’m not actually a teacher. I just observe the groups of teen boys I know and try to work it out from there (PS I don’t know what age you are, but personally I’m talking about younger teens). I’m not sure any of what we’re saying is actually that far apart? Mild disapproval, don’t say much, certainly the gay kids don’t get a hard time at all. That’s tolerance isn’t it? People can’t help feeling what they feel.

Can I ask, how do your peers feel about pride, etc and public celebrations? Because my impression is that the girls are still into it, but the boys are very much not.

Aha, I checked the post of yours I saw, Sskka, and I see that you were talking about your child's class, not a class you taught. Sorry for the confusion.

The IPSOS poll shows large numbers of Gen Z men supporting gay adoption & marriage, albeit less than wimen. I'm curious, as I say, to know what area you are teaching in, roughly. It doesn't seem to stack up w wider Gen Z views as much as you appeared to think.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.ipsos.com/en-uk/ipsos-pride-survey-2024-gen-zers-most-likely-identify-lgbt&ved=2ahUKEwja86XDprqOAxX6SkEAHahXOo8QFnoECH4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1_78iJwGZ4qDIw7msCPUoZ

This is a lie.There are no safeguarding "rules" about running LGBT+ groups in schools.

Their is advice which hasn't been updated in the new edition of KCSIE which (I believe erroneously) states that parents should be consulted except in "exceptionally rare" cases where consulting the parents may put a child at risk of harm. In order to decide which cases are "exceptionally rare" the school staff need to treat each case individually and sensitively and make a call about the level of risk (just as they would do if a child was pregnant - for example).

KCSIE 2025 then goes on to reiterate that for "gender questioning" children having a safe adult is a protective factor. In many cases school provides that one safe adult and often this is through an LGBT+ group.

There are absolutely no safeguarding "rules" that state a parent must be told about attendance at an LGBT+ group. This lie needs to be stopped because it could take away the protective factor of a safe adult from many children.

The "NON-statutory DRAFT guidance on gender questioning children" released for CONSULTATION in Dec 2023 has never gone further than that draft consultation - nothing in there is for action. The guidance is expected to be finally published in September and when it is released will still not constitute "rules" because it will be NON-STATUTORY GUIDANCE.

Until you have had to have support a child taken into protective custody because of their family's reaction to them being LGBT+, you can't understand the importance of not having a one-size fits all blanket safeguarding "rule", that's not how safeguarding works.

As I said on the other thread, I'm Gen Z female. Most of my friends are female. I haven't really discussed lgbt issues w my male friends, the gay ones don't seem to suffer trouble. Otoh maybe disapproving views are hidden due to preference falsification, but most people I know are fairly progressive (not in a crazy woke way tho), so I don't think so.

My female friends don't disapprove of gay relationships. I'm bi myself & wouldn't specially want to hang w people who did, tho it would depend what other characteristics they had.

Men do tend to be less approving of gay relationships in general than woman are. But do you believe that most boys will hold onto these views,....and that adult men generally hold these views?

Moreover, do you agree w these views yourself?

I've seen a previous post of yours, where you say that you teach teens...thus seems to inform many of your views. May I ask what area of England you teach in?

It's not normal.. And it's not true. Teenagers are generally accepting of difference. If someone on here is encountering teenagers for whom it is normal, then perhaps they need to look at what is going wrong in their local community.

Wtf? Most boys today would be “mildly disapproving” of someone being gay? And you think this is normal and ok?

I’d venture that most boys if you forced them to take a view would probably be mildly disapproving, but in general wouldn’t say much – but they really resent the celebration of it and being told what to think. That’s what I took from the OP, and I don’t think her son is saying anything out of the ordinary. But as I say you’re closer to it, why don’t you tell me?

Apologies if I misunderstood. You appeared to be saying this :
'most teenage boys think this now',
'that era is slipping away', '
the young aren't having that at all' ,
'they're live and let live bc they have to be'
'Not at all on board'
'Out of date'

All these comments appear to indicate that you believe the Op's son's views are common among Gen Z, or boys at any rate. That most of Gen Z think gay relationships are bad, should not happen, and that disagreeing w thus view is out of date.

IS this what you meant...?
Or have I misunderstood? Apologies if I have. 😊

So you believe teens now think that being in gay relationships is bad & harmful?

Eh? What on earth are you talking about?

@Sskka, so do you believe that most boys today think that people attracted to same sex should not have gay relationships? Why do you think they believe that? Or did you mean something else?

Schools were all the teachers have pronouns in their email sign-offs, toilets changed to mixed sex ones in new builds, (new) pride flags in many classrooms, celebrating trans visibility day etc.
Not necessarily bad things - though I think some are - but it is noticeable in a way it wouldn't have been 10 years ago.

There’s quite a few around, especially in places like Brighton where the social contagion around trans identity is particularly widespread.

There are a range of types and motivations, from transsexual AGP Debbie Hayton (he confessed he had a fetish for himself as a woman) rewriting school toilet policy to allow male teachers to use female toilets to activists who run the LGBTQ clubs and ‘trans’ kids without their parents knowledge to the Stonewall champions who explicitly targeted children as young as 2 in nurseries.

Just because you haven’t noticed them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I think the Transgender Trend website has more info.

I’ve got a very healthy psychological state thank you. You’ll see that most of my posts are in response to being quoted. Have you accused the posters quoting me of being obsessed too? What about the one who took time out of their day to search out and count my posts? 🤣

What about the ones who called me ‘freak’ and ‘homophobic’ and ‘disgusting’ for rightly pointing out that prioritising ‘gender identity’ over biological sex is homophobic - you got any criticism for them or is it just me?

Think its fair to say that you're probably not going to get a sensible answer out of someone who thinks that "not agreeing" with homosexuality, and having prejudicial attitudes towards gay people, is not homophobic.

So do you believe that most young people now, or at least boys, think that people should not choose to have gay relationships if they feel attracted to people of the same sex? Why do you think they think this?

What do you mean? Do you mean that 2025 looks to teenagers as if being gay is a bad thing? I'm Gen Z & that's not the impression I have at all.

Have you ever met a teacher?

"Mental bullshit" 😃 I'm becoming less convinced you're actually a teacher

"Activist teachers" doesn't equal "trying to make all the children trans". I would have thought that went without saying.
But they have bought into the ideology of gender identity, which had a very hard sell via Stonewall so I don't entirely blame them. I do think they are selling a lie to vulnerable people though.

the stonewall stuff was really good for LGB a few years ago up til very recently actually so thats just mental bullshit. The teachers running these groups aren’t trying to make all children in them trans are they.