To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

This @Tandora and they apparently fall under the LGBTQIA++ umbrella...#NoDebate remember!

Quite. Why are we having any specific assembly every single month. Do we have a system here? Or is it something school have stuck in adhoc to box tick.

why at an assembly?

what is the assembly, what’s its structure.

I have no issue with what you are saying and teaching OP.

but I do not get this forced once a month assembly thing.

as PP have said it should be all encompassing part of a general learning process. Assembly here is to zoom in one whatever has been happening that week, and iron out any issues. plus general education. Bullying, behaviour, lateness, road safety, farm safety, river safety, sun safety, tolerance, inclusion, different religions, LGBTQ. But not one thing once a month forever in school.

Q can be for questioning. Nothing wrong with that.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with gay people or challenging homophobia.

It’s a slogan used by a paedophile organisation as part of their push to remove (sexual) boundaries between adults and children

@BundleBoogie i gave up reading your anti trans posts a long time ago

Can you explain how lesbians don’t suffer from pressure to include men in their dating pool because they identify as women?

Ref also the notorious ‘cotton ceiling’ workshops (a reference to the cotton knickers worn by women only attracted to other women) by a trans identifying male teaching others how to coerce and shame lesbians into having sex with them.

a person can't change gender, but as with other faiths

Being trans is not a faith.

😭😬. OP did you really think it was a good idea to bring gender into this on mumsnet 🫠 😪. You would get far more helpful responses if you stuck to discussing sexuality and homophobia. If I were you , I’d consider starting again with that.

Far more choice involved in gender identities than lesbian or gay or bisexual ones. Pip Bunce, Eddie Izzard being two examples of this.

You need to talk to his Dad about what he's saying to your son, and agree how you're going to address it. You could usefully do some research on how/why people are gay, so you can show him that science shows that people don't choose being gay, there have always been gay people, even when it was illegal, so why would they have chosen it? You could research gay people who are involved in something he's interrsted in - sport, music, science etc, if he can see that people he looks up to are gay, it might make it seem less abstract to him.

The trans issue is different - it's not being bigoted to believe that a person can't change gender, but as with other faiths, they should be left to get on with it and not bullied.

You need to be clear that the school assembly isn't optional - he's going to come into contact with lots of ideas he finds challenging in school, and needs to learn when not to share his views when it's not appropriate.

I would be concerned about the type of friends he'd make if he was vociferously anti-gay - Andrew Tate fans and religious fundamentalists, not groups known for being kind to others.

I think you need to keep talking to your son and let him know its ok to have different points of view. But also that he needs to respect other people's opinions and sometimes that means avoiding the subject or agreeing to disagree.
Probably very little you can do about his dad's opinions/ influence, but I would be monitoring/ restricting his phone usage (eg not allowed in his bedroom at night / unsupervised/ max time per day), so he has less opportunity to have these views reinforced by the likes of Andrew Tate.

that 'love is love' even when that includes the 'love is ageless' viewpoint?

Sorry what now?

With respect, there may be some things you need to understand better before you try and guide your son

Nobody is trapped in the wrong body. No one has any concept of what it feels like to be the opposite sex so no one can identify a feeling they have as ‘being a man inside’.

No one can change sex, that is not an opinion, that is a fact. If you are fully informed on this you will find it easier to discuss objectively with your son.

The ideology around ‘gender’, identity, and sex based stereotypes is a totally different conversation to that around sexual orientation.

Please report any of the anti-trans posts you see.

Sure 🙄. Maybe starting with this…

IMO lesbian and gay people suffer from the idea that sexual orientation is a choice to an extent because of the TQ+

This, and it's concerning op is telling him his thoughts and feelings don't matter, or aren't as important as others and he should acquiesce to others.
@Calmorchaos do you then agree with the LGBTQIA++ (If that's still the correct thing..) that 'love is love' even when that includes the 'love is ageless' viewpoint? Are you still telling him he needs to respect and support that?

Oh give over. Whether you agree with or believe in trans people, the point OP is teaching her child is that people are not choosing to feel that way.

Please report any of the anti-trans posts you see.
IMO lesbian and gay people suffer from the idea that sexual orientation is a choice to an extent because of the TQ+
Stonewall even removed sexual orientation from its definitions, it's all about sexuality now which is arguably far more of a choice than sexual orientation.

So his dad has told him someone chooses to be gay,Think he needs putting straight on that one.

I wonder if a starting point is simply about respect?

Sometimes we attend events or listen to speeches that we don't fully understand or we assume we won’t agree with. Yet, it's valuable to go with an open mind if we can, as we might learn something new. We can also acknowledge that others find comfort or relevance even if we don’t, and that’s important (a bit like supporting aunty Christine at church even if you don't share her beliefs). Ultimately, we always keep our own right to form our own opinions of what we hear but it’s important to consider a full picture and draw our own conclusions.

In the same way, sometimes its important to just recognise that some people have the right to their feelings, their preferences and their opinions and (in so much as they aren’t harmful to us) it’s appropriate to respect that and just let them exist. Just as I was born with brown hair, supporting Aston Villa and detesting Parma violets, other people have inner preferences and feelings which are just as valid, and we aren’t required to justify those to each other or even state them if we don’t want to.

Do you have any LGBTQ+ family members or friends who could, appropriately, help him see this through the experience of real people, rather than the abstract ‘those people'? Alternatively, are there TV shows or books where LGBTQ+ identity is just one facet of a character, not their entire being, that you could explore together?

Just some ramblings after a lemsip, so apologies for the length and any unintended clumsiness.

God it’s so upsetting how anti trans it is on here. I hope you all watch Will and Harper and have some empathy. I would be really worried too at this stage as he is wide open to the Mano sphere and Andrew Tate. Gentle conversation and showing him alternatives are the way forward. Maybe shows/films/ etc that have gay characters?

Having a LGBTQ+ assembly every single month is absolutely ridiculous and over the top. I can see how it would cause some kids to feel fed up of it after a while. Sure, have one during pride month. But every single month?

That’s not what 2025 looks like if you’re a teenager! It’s what 2010 looked like if you were a teenager. 2025 only looks like that if you’re old.

Leave him be I reckon. From what I see, most teenage boys are a bit like this now. You can’t try to push your generation’s views onto this one, any more than your own parents could have convinced you to wear flares. That era is slipping away and he has to make his way in this one.