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To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

818 replies

Calmorchaos · 08/07/2025 19:31

I’m after some advice really on how to approach this.

I have always been the type of person to support anyone to be who they are. I’ve never shied away or shielded my children from the world - very much a ‘love is love’ person and always encouraged my children to support those who need it and be inclusive ( in terms of people being bullied , disabilities etc too ) .

My youngest is going into high school ( 11 ) . Over the past few months I’ve noticed a few comments such as “ there are 2 genders “ , “ I don’t support LGBTQ “ . I’ve addressed this in the moment . But recently he found out his new school has an LGBTQ assembly on a monthly basis and he has started saying he doesn’t want to go because “ he doesn’t support it” . I sat down and had a chat with him , I explained to him that it isn’t really his place to choose to not agree with it - it’s not a choice , i explained it as he could say he doesn’t agree with people eating meat as that is a choice he would be making , but someone’s sexuality is their feelings and not a choice.

I am sure comments will allow me to explain more how the conversation went from my side so I won’t drag this post on with that but his comments were unnerving :

  • he believes someone chooses to be gay , they can control it but they choose it
  • we can choose who we fall in love with
  • if a friend of his told him he was gay he would still be friends with them but not as good because they chose to be gay and he doesn’t support it.

I know he is very young and he doesn’t understand and has things to learn. He is the sweetest boy and the way he said these things sounded scripted as though he has heard others say this . I know he is a child and it’s my job that guide him and that’s the advice I’m asking for , how do I address this? I’m not saying I need him to go around advocating I just don’t want these views becoming ingrained and he becomes the reason another student who is struggling, struggles more. I know I may be overreacting but this age and as the years go on is a time that he can be heavily influenced . He’s a quiet, sweet boy and I do believe he could be heavily influenced.

Another concerning thing is that when I asked him where he had heard all this and where it comes from he said his Dad .

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OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:16

Toddlerteaplease · 08/07/2025 22:13

I agree and I don’t think I’d want a child of mine there every month. As you say. Occasionally Is fine. But monthly is ridiculous.

Ofsted have clear guidance on this, so it’s probably best to address all enquiries to them.

HunnyPot · 08/07/2025 22:15

Has he been reading MN by any chance?

Toddlerteaplease · 08/07/2025 22:13

MorningLarkEchoes · 08/07/2025 21:02

Having a LGBTQ+ assembly every single month is absolutely ridiculous and over the top. I can see how it would cause some kids to feel fed up of it after a while. Sure, have one during pride month. But every single month?

I agree and I don’t think I’d want a child of mine there every month. As you say. Occasionally Is fine. But monthly is ridiculous.

ArtTheClown · 08/07/2025 22:11

I would be concerned about the type of friends he'd make if he was vociferously anti-gay - Andrew Tate fans

Andrew Tate is very pro trans. (And probably gay).

AngelinaFibres · 08/07/2025 22:11

Calmorchaos · 08/07/2025 20:43

I have different views to that , but you are right he can form his own opinions in regard to changing sex etc - however , these opinions need to be formed with a full understanding and he does not have that. The views he has are grouped right now together with sexuality being a choice - which could process into homophobic views . They are also coming from outside influences . This is what I want to address.

Im also thinking of the confused teens around who are struggling , regardless of views on whether gender is a choice or not , its hard enough without people spouting this - I want him to be considerate of other peoples feelings .

But you are not being remotely respectful of his opinions. You cannot change sex You cannot choose who you are attracted to but you can absolutely choose what you do about that .

Tandora · 08/07/2025 22:11

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:08

Again, you’re choosing to miss the point despite it being explained to you.

Ok love. 🫩

Op, @Thedownstream had and interesting thought. Have you tried discussing sexuality with your son?

Twattergy · 08/07/2025 22:10

I'd be adressing it with their father first of all. To make them aware their (prejudiced) opinions are being parroted by their son. Some parents dont realise how suggestible kids are. I'd then talk about the topic more widely with your son rather than saying 'you can't think that'..much better rl to have exploratory chats more around 'what do you think being gay actually means' etc so that you get them to empathise with the reality of life experiences of different people. Its all about encouraging empathy at this age. Few kids are naturally prejudiced l, their natural inclination is quite open minded so help him explore that side of himself.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:09

Worriedandfun · 08/07/2025 22:05

I agree this is crazy?! What else is covered once a month? Disability? Race?

Why not? What do you want assemblies to be about? Schools have students of different races and students with disabilities. Any student in a school could become disabled tonight or tomorrow.

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:08

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:55

“As with other faiths” implies being trans is a type of “faith” (hence the word “other”) Which is exactly the type of transphobic nonsense regularly espoused by posters on this site.

Again, you’re choosing to miss the point despite it being explained to you.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:06

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 21:58

Yes. Some trans identifying males have appropriated the concept of the ‘glass ceiling’ - to be broken through.

It’s rather rapey really which was borne out by the testimonies of lesbians in a brave BBC article where they described being coerced by trans identifying males who regard themselves as lesbians because they are attracted to women.

As a celibate by choice (because I’ve had 40 years of misogyny and it’s getting worse) 50+ heterosexual woman, I can’t find the energy to get worried about the fabric of my knickers.

Worriedandfun · 08/07/2025 22:05

MorningLarkEchoes · 08/07/2025 21:02

Having a LGBTQ+ assembly every single month is absolutely ridiculous and over the top. I can see how it would cause some kids to feel fed up of it after a while. Sure, have one during pride month. But every single month?

I agree this is crazy?! What else is covered once a month? Disability? Race?

Thedownstream · 08/07/2025 22:02

OP, could you son be potentially having same sex attracted feelings and be trying to fight against them? The choosing to be gay or not comment might fit with that?

ColinOfficeTrolley · 08/07/2025 21:58

Oh gosh. People are confusing diagnosed gender dysphoria, with people who 'identify' as something that doesn't align with what they look like.

Genuine gender dysphoria, is rare and is a mental illness, like anorexia.

But we wouldn't say to anorexics that yes, we agree with them wholeheartedly, they are fat and the only way to help them is to put them on a diet.

It's bizarre

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 21:58

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 21:53

I didn’t know that about cotton knickers. In my younger days I always found predatory older males strangely attracted by them.

Yes. Some trans identifying males have appropriated the concept of the ‘glass ceiling’ - to be broken through.

It’s rather rapey really which was borne out by the testimonies of lesbians in a brave BBC article where they described being coerced by trans identifying males who regard themselves as lesbians because they are attracted to women.

CaptainFuture · 08/07/2025 21:58

With the caveat @Shedmistress that op has to accept that it's a discussion and he can have different views!

usedtobeaylis · 08/07/2025 21:57

Kids that age are highly suggestible so the main thing you can do to counter it is just keep talking to him. There's no point being the other side of a coin trying to impose views on him so don't preach at him or try to force him into your box but just keep talking to him without judgement, keep the lines of communication open about it. Ultimately this is the time when he's finding out who he is, trying out forming big opinions, thinking about issues that he maybe wasn't aware of or that has different dimensions from what he previously understood, and the more you talk to him the more those additional elements become something he has to consider.

My daughter is 10 and has been talking a bit about abortion and trying out expressing views about it and while I might personally disagree with some of what she is saying, I also disagree with my own 16 year old self it. They've a long way to go before they start to grasp adult concepts properly.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/07/2025 21:56

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:55

“As with other faiths” implies being trans is a type of “faith” (hence the word “other”) Which is exactly the type of transphobic nonsense regularly espoused by posters on this site.

Have a day off Tandora.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 21:56

Shedmistress · 08/07/2025 21:53

I'd suggest telling him he has every right to think whatever he thinks and school is supposed to be about teaching students to read, write, do maths, learn science etc so to just sit tight in these assemblies knowing that he knows his own mind and don't join in with the mantras. And the rest he will discuss with you as his parent.

I’d also remind him that he’s over the age of criminal responsibility and openly expressing homophobic views is a hate crime.

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:55

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 21:52

Have you deliberately missed the point? The poster said “as with other faiths” meaning people from other faiths shouldn’t be discriminated against, like trans people. It’s not the posters fault you can’t read or interpret properly.

“As with other faiths” implies being trans is a type of “faith” (hence the word “other”) Which is exactly the type of transphobic nonsense regularly espoused by posters on this site.

Shedmistress · 08/07/2025 21:53

I'd suggest telling him he has every right to think whatever he thinks and school is supposed to be about teaching students to read, write, do maths, learn science etc so to just sit tight in these assemblies knowing that he knows his own mind and don't join in with the mantras. And the rest he will discuss with you as his parent.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 21:53

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 21:45

Can you explain how lesbians don’t suffer from pressure to include men in their dating pool because they identify as women?

Ref also the notorious ‘cotton ceiling’ workshops (a reference to the cotton knickers worn by women only attracted to other women) by a trans identifying male teaching others how to coerce and shame lesbians into having sex with them.

I didn’t know that about cotton knickers. In my younger days I always found predatory older males strangely attracted by them.

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 21:52

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 21:52

Where did I say it was anything to do with gay people.

I think the relevant letter would be the Q.

Or the mysterious +

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:52

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:49

Which has absolutely nothing to do with gay people or challenging homophobia.

Edited

Going to say this again but horrified that it appears to be necessary.

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 21:52

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:44

a person can't change gender, but as with other faiths

Being trans is not a faith.

😭😬. OP did you really think it was a good idea to bring gender into this on mumsnet 🫠 😪. You would get far more helpful responses if you stuck to discussing sexuality and homophobia. If I were you , I’d consider starting again with that.

Have you deliberately missed the point? The poster said “as with other faiths” meaning people from other faiths shouldn’t be discriminated against, like trans people. It’s not the posters fault you can’t read or interpret properly.

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 21:52

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:49

Which has absolutely nothing to do with gay people or challenging homophobia.

Edited

Where did I say it was anything to do with gay people.

I think the relevant letter would be the Q.