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To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

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Calmorchaos · 08/07/2025 19:31

I’m after some advice really on how to approach this.

I have always been the type of person to support anyone to be who they are. I’ve never shied away or shielded my children from the world - very much a ‘love is love’ person and always encouraged my children to support those who need it and be inclusive ( in terms of people being bullied , disabilities etc too ) .

My youngest is going into high school ( 11 ) . Over the past few months I’ve noticed a few comments such as “ there are 2 genders “ , “ I don’t support LGBTQ “ . I’ve addressed this in the moment . But recently he found out his new school has an LGBTQ assembly on a monthly basis and he has started saying he doesn’t want to go because “ he doesn’t support it” . I sat down and had a chat with him , I explained to him that it isn’t really his place to choose to not agree with it - it’s not a choice , i explained it as he could say he doesn’t agree with people eating meat as that is a choice he would be making , but someone’s sexuality is their feelings and not a choice.

I am sure comments will allow me to explain more how the conversation went from my side so I won’t drag this post on with that but his comments were unnerving :

  • he believes someone chooses to be gay , they can control it but they choose it
  • we can choose who we fall in love with
  • if a friend of his told him he was gay he would still be friends with them but not as good because they chose to be gay and he doesn’t support it.

I know he is very young and he doesn’t understand and has things to learn. He is the sweetest boy and the way he said these things sounded scripted as though he has heard others say this . I know he is a child and it’s my job that guide him and that’s the advice I’m asking for , how do I address this? I’m not saying I need him to go around advocating I just don’t want these views becoming ingrained and he becomes the reason another student who is struggling, struggles more. I know I may be overreacting but this age and as the years go on is a time that he can be heavily influenced . He’s a quiet, sweet boy and I do believe he could be heavily influenced.

Another concerning thing is that when I asked him where he had heard all this and where it comes from he said his Dad .

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zanahoria · 08/07/2025 22:40

Scout2016 · 08/07/2025 22:33

What is being covered/ said in these assemblies? I think I'd want to know more about that, as a parent to check it's ok as well as to get an idea what's putting him off.

Does he feel there's aheavy handed agenda bias or that he's been pushed into thinking or feeling things he doesn't feel comfortable with? Like the topic is always being discussed and he's fed up of hearing about it and it's compounded by his dad's views? Or has something happened in his life that shaken him a bit?

It's early days for him and his sexuality and having any real insight into how that works. In time he'll realise you really can't chose what you are attracted to but it's very much an abstract idea at that age. Kids move through stages, he's no where near finished yet.

Kids react if schools are over preachy. We had hymns and prayers but it only put me off Christianity.

Thatsrhesummeroverthen · 08/07/2025 22:40

You could address the choosing to be gay idea with some movies surely - the opposition gay people in the past went through surely makes it clear this isn't a choice.

Tandora · 08/07/2025 22:38

Trans’ is a solution offered as a cure all by organisations and activists who have an agenda

😂😂😂

Genevieva · 08/07/2025 22:36

He’s trying to navigate the bullshit currently imposed on children in the only way he knows how. In all honestly, I don’t think schools should be celebrating sexuality. Who you fancy gas no bearing on whether you are a good person. Schools should celebrate personality traits they espouse, such as diligence, loyalty and kindness, as well as inviting the whole school community to celebrate and feel pride in the achievements of students.

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:35

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:28

Correct, and I have no intention of committing any crimes because I don’t want a criminal record. But I’m 45 years older than this child. He needs to know the law of the land.

At nearly 60 I would hope you have the intelligence and life experience to not willingly break the law. An 11 year old is a child. Their brain hasn’t even developed yet. Huge difference. If you’re trying to compare a nearly 60 year old and an 11 year old then that’s quite frankly, deeply concerning.

Scout2016 · 08/07/2025 22:33

What is being covered/ said in these assemblies? I think I'd want to know more about that, as a parent to check it's ok as well as to get an idea what's putting him off.

Does he feel there's aheavy handed agenda bias or that he's been pushed into thinking or feeling things he doesn't feel comfortable with? Like the topic is always being discussed and he's fed up of hearing about it and it's compounded by his dad's views? Or has something happened in his life that shaken him a bit?

It's early days for him and his sexuality and having any real insight into how that works. In time he'll realise you really can't chose what you are attracted to but it's very much an abstract idea at that age. Kids move through stages, he's no where near finished yet.

Cocomelonhauntsme · 08/07/2025 22:31

This is a trend amongst the younger generation, young men are more conservative than ever (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/aug/07/gen-z-voters-political-ideology-gender-gap). It is a worrying reversal and there are a lot of persuasive and charismatic men in the manosphere who target young men/ boys.

It's so hard if his dad is espousing these views. Might be an assumption but if you are the default primary parent then children often want to bond, impress the more distant one so idolises them even against their own interests.

I would strive to keep communication open in your home so he talks about the but continue to gently challenge him. John and Hank Green both talk about combating these types of narratives. I would also start introducing him to other male figures who he can look up to. He might be a little young but I recommend Daniel Sloss to teenage boys. He's a bit of an edgy comedian, swears etc, some shock material so feels cool for teenagers but he talks brilliantly about toxic masculinity.

Be very, very aware of his social media use. The algorithm will pick up if he watches anti-gay content and push more and more on him and he will be straight down the red pill nightmare.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:30

QueenofFox · 08/07/2025 22:28

This is manosphere territory- seeing gay men as inferior masculinity or not even truly male, because they choose to be gay - I'd be checking what his reading online.

A record for homophobic bullying could affect his life chances. I’d nip it in the bud.

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 22:29

Tandora · 08/07/2025 21:47

@BundleBoogie i gave up reading your anti trans posts a long time ago

Edited

I’m sorry my question was too difficult for you.

How does sexual orientation operate if ‘gender identity’ is prioritised over biological sex?

If a gay man is exclusively attracted to gay men, he is not going to want to include women who identify as men in his dating pool.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:28

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:21

Yet. Exactly. He hasn’t done any of them things. I assuming you haven’t killed anyone YET. So same applies.

Correct, and I have no intention of committing any crimes because I don’t want a criminal record. But I’m 45 years older than this child. He needs to know the law of the land.

QueenofFox · 08/07/2025 22:28

This is manosphere territory- seeing gay men as inferior masculinity or not even truly male, because they choose to be gay - I'd be checking what his reading online.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:26

Supersimkin7 · 08/07/2025 22:20

You have to respect other people but you don’t have to agree with them or echo their views.

I hope DS isn’t gay.

Pity for him if he is, with his Dad’s views. He’s taking an intense interest in the matter for an 11 year old, for sure.

RaininSummer · 08/07/2025 22:22

I would make sure he understands that people can love whoever they want but I would also make clear that there are only two sexes and it's impossible to change sex though you can dress differently to the accepted norm for your sex if you wish.

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:21

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:18

Yet.

Yet. Exactly. He hasn’t done any of them things. I assuming you haven’t killed anyone YET. So same applies.

Supersimkin7 · 08/07/2025 22:20

You have to respect other people but you don’t have to agree with them or echo their views.

I hope DS isn’t gay.

Worriedandfun · 08/07/2025 22:20

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:18

I hope they are covering topics such as disability and racism. I hope they cover MLK Day and autism awareness week, depression awareness week, epilepsy awareness week.

Yes agreed.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 08/07/2025 22:20

HunnyPot · 08/07/2025 22:15

Has he been reading MN by any chance?

Hopefully. Where the majority remain on reality island and know you can’t change sex.

JohnnyLuLus · 08/07/2025 22:20

Sskka · 08/07/2025 20:59

Leave him be I reckon. From what I see, most teenage boys are a bit like this now. You can’t try to push your generation’s views onto this one, any more than your own parents could have convinced you to wear flares. That era is slipping away and he has to make his way in this one.

"Most teenage boys" are not homophobic, and we shouldn't be excusing or downplaying it. OP is doing the right thing by challenging her son's prejudices. Problems occur when parents make excuses and turn a blind eye.

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:19

Tandora · 08/07/2025 22:11

Ok love. 🫩

Op, @Thedownstream had and interesting thought. Have you tried discussing sexuality with your son?

Great reply, really proved your point didn’t you 😂

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:18

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:18

Yes, of course an 11 year old is going to get arrested for having his own opinion. I think you need to brush up on your knowledge of what a hate crime is. But here you go:

  • Verbal abuse
  • Threats
  • Harassment
  • Physical attacks
  • Vandalism or damage to property
  • Online abuse

Op has not mentioned her son has done any of these things.

Yet.

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 22:18

TheOriginalEmu · 08/07/2025 21:25

Oh give over. Whether you agree with or believe in trans people, the point OP is teaching her child is that people are not choosing to feel that way.

I think that’s a bit too simplistic a characterisation.

People who identify as trans have a disproportionately high number of autistic people, vulnerable people with mental health conditions and same sex attracted people with homophobic families (as well as the men who openly admit they have watched too much porn).

Lots of people feel uncomfortable with their bodies or that they don’t quite fit into society. ‘Trans’ is a solution offered as a cure all by organisations and activists who have an agenda. It is not the best solution for the vast majority who end up having proper issues ignored in the long quest for ‘transition’.

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:18

Worriedandfun · 08/07/2025 22:16

Yes sorry that’s not what I meant. I am curious to know if the school covers other topics and agree that they should.

My question is do they also cover other big topics like disability? Are they picking LGBTQ above other topics.

I hope they are covering topics such as disability and racism. I hope they cover MLK Day and autism awareness week, depression awareness week, epilepsy awareness week.

Blurrywateryeye · 08/07/2025 22:18

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 21:56

I’d also remind him that he’s over the age of criminal responsibility and openly expressing homophobic views is a hate crime.

Yes, of course an 11 year old is going to get arrested for having his own opinion. I think you need to brush up on your knowledge of what a hate crime is. But here you go:

  • Verbal abuse
  • Threats
  • Harassment
  • Physical attacks
  • Vandalism or damage to property
  • Online abuse

Op has not mentioned her son has done any of these things.

Tandora · 08/07/2025 22:16

HunnyPot · 08/07/2025 22:15

Has he been reading MN by any chance?

🤣👍🏻

Worriedandfun · 08/07/2025 22:16

OpheliaBlue · 08/07/2025 22:09

Why not? What do you want assemblies to be about? Schools have students of different races and students with disabilities. Any student in a school could become disabled tonight or tomorrow.

Yes sorry that’s not what I meant. I am curious to know if the school covers other topics and agree that they should.

My question is do they also cover other big topics like disability? Are they picking LGBTQ above other topics.