To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

YABVVVVVU Of course he has a choice whether to support it or not. What he doesn’t have a choice in, is verbally stating to members of LGBTQ+++++ that he doesn’t support it. He can choose to support/not support whatever he wishes. Stop trying to imprint your own views onto him. Good for him for having his own beliefs.

Maybe. I was just trying to see how they could make them see it's not a choice.

I think asking an 11 year old to reflect on complex and confusing feelings they're having, to draw conclusions on other people's totally different feelings is a pointless and potentially counterproductive task.

At 16, this conversation could be helpful. At 11, I'd conclude they have some maturing to do before they're ready to understand and drop it.

I don't know. It's not really about whether he definitely does or not. It's about challenging the idea that sexual orientation is a choice?
At 11 most people do fancy someone...not that it's bad if they don't.

You need to ask him if he fancies girls? If he says yes, ask him if he chose to do that? Or if it came naturally to him?

Hes only 11, I doubt he's in any position to answer that coherently.

The tests werent "unspecified", what are you talking about? They were both from IOS labs.

Both tests documented chromosomal abnormality and heightened testosterone production associated with undescended testes and male karyotype - XY.

The documentation from L Path Labs is available, as are the deductions from various developmental biologists, and 5ARD is the culprit.

"Raised as a woman" makes no difference, a dog raised as a cat is not a cat.

He was aware of the results, his trainer confirmed it in interview, he knew he was a man, and he took the opportunity to assault women knowing he wasnt one.

Its not "discriminatory" to view a male who competes in a female category as a cheat, and one who will deliberately put women in harms way if it guarantees him medals and financial success.

The fact that you support it is pitiable.

The tests werent "unspecified", what are you talking about? They were both from IOS labs.

Both tests documented chromosomal abnormality and heightened testosterone production associated with undescended testes and male karyotype - XY.

The documentation from L Path Labs is available, as are the deductions from various developmental biologists, and 5ARD is the culprit.

"Raised as a woman" makes no difference, a dog raised as a cat is not a cat.

He was aware of the results, his trainer confirmed it in interview, he knew he was a man, and he took the opportunity to assault women knowing he wasnt one.

Its not "discriminatory" to view a male who competes in a female category as a cheat, and one who will deliberately put women in harms way if it guarantees him medals and financial success.

The fact that you support it is pitiable.

I understand that's your opinion.

You do not know what type of DSD this person has.

They failed two unspecified "gender tests" (presumably chromosomal) performed as part of eligibility rules for a different competition.

This person was assigned female at birth, raised female, is legally female and was eligible to participate in this sporting competition under the rules.

The vitriol thrown at this person was entirely unacceptable and shows that these types of discriminatory attitudes are not only directed a trans people, but also at people with DSDs simply because their bodies fail to conform to conventional/ social understandings of 'female' and 'male'.

I understand that's your opinion.

Why don't you ask them?

I think there is much more evidence to call the BNP a “hate group” than Transgender Trend.

You need to ask him if he fancies girls? If he says yes, ask him if he chose to do that? Or if it came naturally to him?

Then you can try and show him that if hetero isn't a choice, then neither is gay or bi.

Having said that, I don't really see why all kids needs a LGBTQ assembly on a regular basis though. Surely they teach acceptance of all characteristics across all learning. If the kid isn't gay I don't see why they need to go to assemblies about it frequently.

If they just made the statement the post would be deleted? Or would it depend on whether other people shared the same opinion or not?

If they just made the statement the post would be deleted? Or would it depend on whether other people shared the same opinion or not?

It would depend if that was evidenced or not.

So if someone called the BNP a hate group that wouldn't be allowed?

If you can't understand why you can't go round calling organisations 'hate groups' without any evidence, I'm not sure what the mods can do to help you.

Right and I'm questioning that and have asked them directly.
I have no desire to be banned from mumsnet and I want to comply with the guidelines so it's important that I understand what they are.

The mods didnt agree with you.

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