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To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

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Calmorchaos · 08/07/2025 19:31

I’m after some advice really on how to approach this.

I have always been the type of person to support anyone to be who they are. I’ve never shied away or shielded my children from the world - very much a ‘love is love’ person and always encouraged my children to support those who need it and be inclusive ( in terms of people being bullied , disabilities etc too ) .

My youngest is going into high school ( 11 ) . Over the past few months I’ve noticed a few comments such as “ there are 2 genders “ , “ I don’t support LGBTQ “ . I’ve addressed this in the moment . But recently he found out his new school has an LGBTQ assembly on a monthly basis and he has started saying he doesn’t want to go because “ he doesn’t support it” . I sat down and had a chat with him , I explained to him that it isn’t really his place to choose to not agree with it - it’s not a choice , i explained it as he could say he doesn’t agree with people eating meat as that is a choice he would be making , but someone’s sexuality is their feelings and not a choice.

I am sure comments will allow me to explain more how the conversation went from my side so I won’t drag this post on with that but his comments were unnerving :

  • he believes someone chooses to be gay , they can control it but they choose it
  • we can choose who we fall in love with
  • if a friend of his told him he was gay he would still be friends with them but not as good because they chose to be gay and he doesn’t support it.

I know he is very young and he doesn’t understand and has things to learn. He is the sweetest boy and the way he said these things sounded scripted as though he has heard others say this . I know he is a child and it’s my job that guide him and that’s the advice I’m asking for , how do I address this? I’m not saying I need him to go around advocating I just don’t want these views becoming ingrained and he becomes the reason another student who is struggling, struggles more. I know I may be overreacting but this age and as the years go on is a time that he can be heavily influenced . He’s a quiet, sweet boy and I do believe he could be heavily influenced.

Another concerning thing is that when I asked him where he had heard all this and where it comes from he said his Dad .

OP posts:
TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2025 19:58

ExpressCheckout · 10/07/2025 19:39

The problem isn't your son. He's 11.
The problem is "an LGBTQ assembly".

Just have an assembly. No names, no labels. If one week it happens to feature an LGB person, well, of course that's fine. But it's the label/theme which is tedious and unnecessary. As a taxpayer, I'm getting absolutely sick of this.

Exactly.

Seems absolutely bonkers

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 19:49

ExpressCheckout · 10/07/2025 19:39

The problem isn't your son. He's 11.
The problem is "an LGBTQ assembly".

Just have an assembly. No names, no labels. If one week it happens to feature an LGB person, well, of course that's fine. But it's the label/theme which is tedious and unnecessary. As a taxpayer, I'm getting absolutely sick of this.

So take your kids off to the private sector or Trump’s USA, many parents welcome inclusive,informative and supportive assemblies for all kids which are used for all sorts of things. My kids had to suck up Christian nonsense none of us believe in on a loop for 7 years in the only state school available to us. They survived.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 10/07/2025 19:45

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 19:27

Because I actually don’t give a shit about trans, like many I’m fed up with trans issues taking over threads and because I also think that homophobia in schools as listed and described by the op is what the thread is about and far more important. Last I heard posters can reply to the posts they choose so I will be.

Soooooooooooo many of us feel this way.

Read the room.

ExpressCheckout · 10/07/2025 19:39

The problem isn't your son. He's 11.
The problem is "an LGBTQ assembly".

Just have an assembly. No names, no labels. If one week it happens to feature an LGB person, well, of course that's fine. But it's the label/theme which is tedious and unnecessary. As a taxpayer, I'm getting absolutely sick of this.

senua · 10/07/2025 19:36

Because I actually don’t give a shit about trans
Even though it is homophobic? That's what I don't get.

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 19:27

senua · 10/07/2025 19:13

A monthly lgbtq assembly is perfectly reasonable
I still don't get how you are so tiger-mother about your G son and yet are happy for him to be force-teamed with the TQ.
This has been mentioned several times and you keep swerving it.

Because I actually don’t give a shit about trans, like many I’m fed up with trans issues taking over threads and because I also think that homophobia in schools as listed and described by the op is what the thread is about and far more important. Last I heard posters can reply to the posts they choose so I will be.

senua · 10/07/2025 19:13

A monthly lgbtq assembly is perfectly reasonable
I still don't get how you are so tiger-mother about your G son and yet are happy for him to be force-teamed with the TQ.
This has been mentioned several times and you keep swerving it.

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 18:59

CaptainFuture · 10/07/2025 18:55

Who has been racist in this circumstance? Where has anyone said someone is a 'victim'?

Homophobia in schools is treated in the same way as racism - zero tolerance, just thought I’d highlight gay pupils aren’t getting any special treatment or do you have a problem with that too?

“I said you delighted in the punishment of the children who were reported.” screams -those poor reported kids. The language was very much victimising perpetrators.

Pliudev · 10/07/2025 18:59

You describe your DS as 'quiet and sweet' and I wonder if his dad is trying to influence him because he's worried his son might be gay? If that's the case, he's doing something much more harmful. I think I'd be pointing out that he should keep his prejudices to himself in future. In the nicest possible way..

CaptainFuture · 10/07/2025 18:55

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 18:13

So those of us whose children are subjected to homophobia, racism etc can’t be pleased when it is dealt with properly and those carrying out said homophobia are the victims? Yeah ok.

Who has been racist in this circumstance? Where has anyone said someone is a 'victim'?

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 18:47

Pluto46 · 10/07/2025 18:26

Exactly - hardly anyone querying the logic of this every single month when half of MN is frothing at the mouth if a C of E Primary dares to include anything..you know,...vaguely Christian in their Assemblies

Church of England schools have daily Christian worship even though often there are no other alternative schools for pupils to anttend and many pupils are agnostic or other religions. A monthly lgbtq assembly is perfectly reasonable particularly if there are issues with homophobia within the school.

Pluto46 · 10/07/2025 18:26

jesihar · 08/07/2025 21:50

Quite. Why are we having any specific assembly every single month. Do we have a system here? Or is it something school have stuck in adhoc to box tick.

why at an assembly?

what is the assembly, what’s its structure.

I have no issue with what you are saying and teaching OP.

but I do not get this forced once a month assembly thing.

as PP have said it should be all encompassing part of a general learning process. Assembly here is to zoom in one whatever has been happening that week, and iron out any issues. plus general education. Bullying, behaviour, lateness, road safety, farm safety, river safety, sun safety, tolerance, inclusion, different religions, LGBTQ. But not one thing once a month forever in school.

Exactly - hardly anyone querying the logic of this every single month when half of MN is frothing at the mouth if a C of E Primary dares to include anything..you know,...vaguely Christian in their Assemblies

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 18:13

CaptainFuture · 10/07/2025 18:11

Where did you get the idea that you delighted in the homophobia? I said you delighted in the punishment of the children who were reported.

So those of us whose children are subjected to homophobia, racism etc can’t be pleased when it is dealt with properly and those carrying out said homophobia are the victims? Yeah ok.

CaptainFuture · 10/07/2025 18:11

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 18:06

No I didn’t delight in the homophobia my son was subjected to. Funny how the homophobes are seen as the victims.🙄Thank goodness those working in schools have sense and don’t tolerate homophobia, racism etc.

Where did you get the idea that you delighted in the homophobia? I said you delighted in the punishment of the children who were reported.

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 18:06

CaptainFuture · 10/07/2025 17:51

But that's what this whole threads about? Applying 'adult framework' and punishment to children's behaviours? And of course delighting in the punishment of children who are not behaving in the ways adults would be expected to?

No I didn’t delight in the homophobia my son was subjected to. Funny how the homophobes are seen as the victims.🙄Thank goodness those working in schools have sense and don’t tolerate homophobia, racism etc.

OneKookyWasp · 10/07/2025 17:53

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2025 17:35

What does that make the word 'boyfriend' disappear?

You realize that by post was in the context of a lengthy discussion re JHound's use of the word "boyfriend" to her neice, right?

CaptainFuture · 10/07/2025 17:51

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:04

No fancying doesn’t have sexual connotations. It barely has romantic ones especially not when discussing children.

I did not “claim” she fancied said boy. It was fairly obvious she did in the context of the conversation.

The problem is you are for some reason applying an adult framework to it. Which I am not.

But that's what this whole threads about? Applying 'adult framework' and punishment to children's behaviours? And of course delighting in the punishment of children who are not behaving in the ways adults would be expected to?

Fk48fj · 10/07/2025 17:45

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:32

I cannot take you seriously if you think Mandy’s sexual relationship with an adult man is the same as an 11 year old discussing their age approporiate crush.

Although maybe if Mandy had a sensible aunt to talk to the aunt could have ascertained that what she was discussing was.

Stop obsessing over sexual relationships. Nobody is discussing sexual relationships.

You need to let that go.

And no “fancy” was not my word but if you want to make things up to argue against be my guest.

You seem fixated in only seeing “boyfriend / girlfriend” with an adult context which is your issue not mine.

Edited

This, it’s utter bonkers obsessive nonsense.

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2025 17:35

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:34

Click on the quotes.

What does that make the word 'boyfriend' disappear?

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:34

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2025 17:34

No. They used the word 'boyfriend'

I mean, it's right there, for all to see.

Click on the quotes.

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2025 17:34

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:29

They did as they were directly referencing me. They did nor say they spontaneously ask their 11 years if they are dating.

No. They used the word 'boyfriend'

I mean, it's right there, for all to see.

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:32

BundleBoogie · 10/07/2025 17:26

So how did 11 yr old Mandy know the difference?

And I’m not talking about an 11 yr old innocently discussing the boy she ‘fancies’ (your previous word) - I am talking about you discussing it with her and putting a label of ‘boyfriend’ on it that takes it a step further.

In my experience, 11 yr old girls don’t come out and say “I fancy so and so”. They might go as far as to say they ‘like’ someone but as I remember it was just squeals and nudges and their friends knew what they meant and would dare each other to go and tell the boy in question. I’m suspecting that ‘fancy’ is your word and boyfriend is definitely your word. Moving her further along the thought process with adult approval. Where is the boundary? Are we leaving it to the child to decide?

I cannot take you seriously if you think Mandy’s sexual relationship with an adult man is the same as an 11 year old discussing their age approporiate crush.

Although maybe if Mandy had a sensible aunt to talk to the aunt could have ascertained that what she was discussing was.

Stop obsessing over sexual relationships. Nobody is discussing sexual relationships.

You need to let that go.

And no “fancy” was not my word but if you want to make things up to argue against be my guest.

You seem fixated in only seeing “boyfriend / girlfriend” with an adult context which is your issue not mine.

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:29

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2025 17:28

But that's not what the poster said 🤷‍♀️

They did as they were directly referencing me. They did nor say they spontaneously ask their 11 years if they are dating.

TheKeatingFive · 10/07/2025 17:28

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:23

Within the context of a child coming to them to discuss a boy they fancied.

Use “boy-you-fancy” if you prefer.

But that's not what the poster said 🤷‍♀️

BundleBoogie · 10/07/2025 17:26

JHound · 10/07/2025 17:18

You cannot let go of this “sexual relationship” concept as clear by your mention of Mandy Smith.

If you think an underaged girl in a sexual relationship with an adult man is the same as an 11 year old girl innocently discussing an 11 year old boy she has a crush on, who she met at a school trip then….I don’t know what to say.

So how did 11 yr old Mandy know the difference?

And I’m not talking about an 11 yr old innocently discussing the boy she ‘fancies’ (your previous word) - I am talking about you discussing it with her and putting a label of ‘boyfriend’ on it that takes it a step further.

In my experience, 11 yr old girls don’t come out and say “I fancy so and so”. They might go as far as to say they ‘like’ someone but as I remember it was just squeals and nudges and their friends knew what they meant and would dare each other to go and tell the boy in question. I’m suspecting that ‘fancy’ is your word and boyfriend is definitely your word. Moving her further along the thought process with adult approval. Where is the boundary? Are we leaving it to the child to decide?