To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

Except that I don't think that's a level of sophistication within reach of an 11 year old. At that age it's more about who it's acceptable to hang out with or not. Basic stuff about tolerance. It's too young to go into gender debates. I see a lot of posts here saying 'separate the LGB from the T and Q' but to a child that age, that would basically be saying it's ok to be horrible to some people. Whatever your thoughts on the nature of transgenderism, the best message to a child is to say that some people have different sexual orientations and perceptions of themselves and that it's not for anyone to judge. Keep it simple.

This

If homophobia isn't nipped in the bud hate incidents can turn into hate crimes very easily for young impetuous and naive teens. Hate incidents can be reported to police too. It will be recorded as a non criminal hate incident. Data is often kept by local authorities too which is important to create a picture. Aside from anything on the basis of being a good human being homophobic views cause a huge amount of damage to gay people and don't really make you a nice person if you hold them.

Hate crime as defined by the CPS with the final paragraph being particularly relevant:

-Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

“There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.”

Exactly. I’m taken aback by the extent to which some people on this thread can’t tell the difference between saying or believing unpleasant, nasty or unfashionable things, and actual crime.

That’s not a crime. If someone starts hurling homophobic slurs or making threats as a result of their belief that would obviously be a hate crime - based on the harassment.

But just holding those views or even expressing them to someone is not a crime.

This, it’s just appalling.

You have done repeatedly and throughout this thread.

There was a thread about biphobia just a couple of weeks ago that had to be taken down because it was flamed with pages of hateful comments - most of which either purposefully or inadvertently (eye roll) seemed to actually be about transgender people. Including people making the same "transgender ideology is homophobic" argument.

A thread about pride was also full of homophobic comments.

With a couple of persistent, gaslighting posters in here, I dont believe this is a coincidence.

They think they can ride the gender critical waive to drown out LG&B people too. While pretending its because they're against homophobia.

This site has become intolerable and unuseable for anyone who isnt straight.

Exactly this!!

And whilst we’re on the subject of LGBT clubs which are vital in school, many parents campaign for them, myself being one. Gay teens are at far bigger risk of bullying,suicide , school refusal and depression. LGBT clubs in schools cut homophobic bullying, school refusal and depression. To say all such clubs attempt to change the sex of gay kids is disgusting, defamatory to the teaching profession and homophobic.

I didn't do any of that though.

For all those reading, this is how the 'be kind' types react to me sharing a story about a child who now has significant health problems after transitioning and detransitioning.

Again - THAT IS NOT WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT.

The OP gave a small amount of background context, where gender identity was referenced. It was not "a point".

When people started pressing her, she said that some people "feel" as though they are born in the wrong body. Again - she is not making a point. A gender critical person would say "yes, that is gender dysphoria" and needs treating, a trans-advocate would say it needs affirming. The OP says neither - that her son can make up his own mind.

The OP posted about her son's homophobic language and beliefs. Stop trying to shut that down.

Your scaremongering and blatant ignoring and hijacking the serious issue of homophobia in schools is something really worth frothing over. Voicing boredom over something is not.

Oh that's much better.

Jesus 😵‍💫

This!!!!

Yep and it’s about homophobia , it’s blatantly clear.

Wasn’t laughing, it was yawning. The continual attempts to shoe horn trans debate into everything on MN by a few is boring.

Look, everyone can see the OP's thread title, her opening post and her subsequent posts. They are all right there.

There is an entire board almost entirely taken up with spreading moral panic about trans people .

This thread was started by a mother concerned about her teenage boy expressing homophobic attitudes.

🤣hysterical. It was one word as opposed to an entire post listing in detail where she made it clear her concerns were homophobia. Your attempts to erase is quite something.

I guess I should be grateful that I don't get another laughing gif in response to that post, hmm?

Literally nothing to do with the op. This is about homophobia and the rights of children to go to school without homophobic lamgsnguage and bullying. Gay children have the right to have inclusivity in the form of assemblies and lunch tine clubs.