To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

I didn't read past the first sentence.

Nobody is trying to shut that down.

From what OP has said about the LGBTQ assemblies and the gender ideology taught in them, they will be the main source of his ‘homophobia’ so it’s entirely relevant. As I explained in more depth just now.

And again trans ideology diatribes- 12 paragraphs long!!!!

It’s not what this thread is about.

So you can’t refute one thing in my fairly lengthy thread.

Thanks. I’ll take that as a win.

And yet you posted (now deleted) paragraphs that were just having a go at another poster - is that what the thread is about?

If homophobia isn't nipped in the bud hate incidents can turn into hate crimes very easily for young impetuous and naive teens. Hate incidents can be reported to police too. It will be recorded as a non criminal hate incident. Data is often kept by local authorities too which is important to create a picture. Aside from anything on the basis of being a good human being homophobic views cause a huge amount of damage to gay people and don't really make you a nice person if you hold them.

Hate crime as defined by the CPS with the final paragraph being particularly relevant:

-Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

“There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.”

Nobody is trying to shut that down.

From what OP has said about the LGBTQ assemblies and the gender ideology taught in them, they will be the main source of his ‘homophobia’ so it’s entirely relevant. As I explained in more depth just now.

Again - THAT IS NOT WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT.

The OP gave a small amount of background context, where gender identity was referenced. It was not "a point".

When people started pressing her, she said that some people "feel" as though they are born in the wrong body. Again - she is not making a point. A gender critical person would say "yes, that is gender dysphoria" and needs treating, a trans-advocate would say it needs affirming. The OP says neither - that her son can make up his own mind.

The OP posted about her son's homophobic language and beliefs. Stop trying to shut that down.

You're missing my point. I have no problem with LGB assemblies as long as they are age-appropriate.

What I do have a problem with is this being a named regular 'theme' for an assembly. You don't need to announce 'themed' assemblies.

Yes, HT's do plan a sequence of assemblies for each term - of course that's fine and it's sensible to have a nice variety of topics for all of the children.

But if you do have a planned sequence of assemblies covering a range of topics then there is no need to tell the children of your plan and give it a silly name.

That smacks of shallow virtue-signalling and it deliberately goads parents (or children) who might not agree. That's my point.

It beggars belief how some teachers/HTs seem to have forgotten that schooling/education is for children and not to meet their own needs.

So take your kids off to the private sector or Trump’s USA, many parents welcome inclusive,informative and supportive assemblies for all kids which are used for all sorts of things. My kids had to suck up Christian nonsense none of us believe in on a loop for 7 years in the only state school available to us. They survived.

You seem to have missed my ooh t. He needed an LGB club, he got an LGBT club which id based on an ideology directly in conflict with his needs.

I suggest you listen to the Inciteful Sisters podcast episode 17 on Protect and Teach. If you don’t believe me about how these lunchtime clubs operate, sometimes in secrecy from parents (totally against safeguarding rules), listen to the women on the frontline.

Also Episode 7 - young lesbians with Alison Ellis on how she has found it almost impossible to find lesbian groups now. They are all infiltrated by men who identify as lesbians.

LGBT clubs are crucial and incredibly valuable. How dare you say said clubs will be run by activists. That is scaremongering at its worst. My son tried to take his own life because he was surrounded by homophobic language and shunned. He is still battling massively with his MH now as a result. He needed a place to meet others like him. So gay kids can’t have lgbt clubs at school because a few on MN are obsessed with trans ideology - that’s pretty disgusting.

And yet you posted (now deleted) paragraphs that were just having a go at another poster - is that what the thread is about?

And again trans ideology diatribes- 12 paragraphs long!!!!

It’s not what this thread is about.

You seem to be wanting to shoot the messenger. I am not scaremongering, it am reporting facts of stuff that is actually happening.

I strongly suggest you watch Ritchie Herrons interview that I linked earlier and understand the risks to vulnerable young gay men.

And OP also talked about the LGBTQ assemblies which obviously will have introduced gender ideology to 11 yr olds (the clue is in the name). She has told him about ‘born in the body’ fallacy (but as fact) and it sounds like he is understandably mightily confused, being an 11 yr old who is not necessarily ready to have these conversations and getting information that conflicts with reality from his mother and school.

Can you see the 11 yr old thought process? - If gender identity is more important than sex (the common message of LGBTQ messaging), and you can choose your sex (as the kids are told), then why can’t you choose to be gay?

For example if a female child is attracted to girls but then decides to ‘transition’ to become a boy then her relationships are ‘boy’ + girl which is a heterosexual relationship. Her decision would imply to the bystander (this 11 yr old) that she chose not to be gay. And funnily enough, he is absolutely right. His logic is spot on. Tavistock staff and Cass agree. “Transing away the gay”.

Similarly, if a man ‘transitions’ to become a woman but is heterosexual, remains attracted ti women but calls himself a lesbian.

Can you see the obvious 11 yr old logic there?

Remember just a few posts ago when you said "Your child needed an LGB club?" Well why on earth cant we have an LGB thread???
Yes, I was responding to a PP who says her son is gay and that she hates homophobia but can’t yet see how the LBGTQ industry is creating and furthering the ultimate homophobia (with its basic premise that gender identity is more important than sex and ignoring the fact that sexual orientation is based on our sexed bodies, not our identity - therefore literally denying the existence of homosexuality) and is a likely source of the 11 yr olds comments (as well as his father) and calls me nasty names when I try and explain. She is still convinced that is should be LGBT as you can see from her post below yours.
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LGBT clubs are crucial and incredibly valuable.

I'm sure it would be very nice to have an LGB thread - but don’t blame me that trans activists have made that impossible. The TQ+ have hitched their wagon onto ‘gay rights’. and are inextricably linked in schools and life and are driving homophobic thinking into the minds of all children.

And if you think “well ‘trans’ is not a choice either so it’s the same as sexual orientation but just in a different box”, that’s very much not the case - choice is built into trans ideology. ‘Gender fluid’ or ‘non binary’ and the Pips Bunce types who claim to be male one day and ‘female’ the next, the changing of trans identities - a move from ‘trans non binary’ to ‘transgender’ is very common - framed as self realisation but actually just a worsening mental health choice. And then you’ve still got the massive logic fail which says a man can be a lesbian if he identifies as one.

Did you miss the trans identifying males who jumped into the Lesbian picnic thread on the Feminist board) to threaten the lesbians planning a women only gathering in London? They threatened to turn up in person and disrupt the event, they also contacted the London Authority and police and tried to get it shut down altogether. It’s all part of the same problem.

I gave the story of Ritchie HERRON to PP who is desperately trying to protect her child who sounds quite vulnerable and is perfect prey for the sort of people who convinced Ritchie, a gay man in his 20s, that he was really a woman. He realised this was not the case as soon as he woke up from his operation (that he was rushed into by his enablers) from remove his penis. He is now a gay man who is incontinent (a very common issue) without a penis. So his story is absolutely related to the OP but was intended for a PP.

It is interesting that a number of people purporting to be against homophobia would try so hard to shut down discussion about a homophobic movement that is currently indoctrinating 11 yr olds in schools and resulting in the thoughts that OP has raised as being an issue. Very odd.

As for your accusation of me being homophobic - are you actually serious?? Why is it homophobic to raise the issue if a seriously homophobic ideology being taught in schools? Have you said it so many times you’ve forgotten what it means?

LGBT clubs are crucial and incredibly valuable. How dare you say said clubs will be run by activists. That is scaremongering at its worst. My son tried to take his own life because he was surrounded by homophobic language and shunned. He is still battling massively with his MH now as a result. He needed a place to meet others like him. So gay kids can’t have lgbt clubs at school because a few on MN are obsessed with trans ideology - that’s pretty disgusting.

To be clear, you think it's ok for a child to be horrible to transpeople?

I see a lot of posts here saying 'separate the LGB from the T and Q' but to a child that age, that would basically be saying it's ok to be horrible to some people.

Right.
(And they would not be wrong in their understanding either.)

Except that I don't think that's a level of sophistication within reach of an 11 year old. At that age it's more about who it's acceptable to hang out with or not. Basic stuff about tolerance. It's too young to go into gender debates. I see a lot of posts here saying 'separate the LGB from the T and Q' but to a child that age, that would basically be saying it's ok to be horrible to some people. Whatever your thoughts on the nature of transgenderism, the best message to a child is to say that some people have different sexual orientations and perceptions of themselves and that it's not for anyone to judge. Keep it simple.