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To want to nip this in the bud ( LGBTQ views , child )

818 replies

Calmorchaos · 08/07/2025 19:31

I’m after some advice really on how to approach this.

I have always been the type of person to support anyone to be who they are. I’ve never shied away or shielded my children from the world - very much a ‘love is love’ person and always encouraged my children to support those who need it and be inclusive ( in terms of people being bullied , disabilities etc too ) .

My youngest is going into high school ( 11 ) . Over the past few months I’ve noticed a few comments such as “ there are 2 genders “ , “ I don’t support LGBTQ “ . I’ve addressed this in the moment . But recently he found out his new school has an LGBTQ assembly on a monthly basis and he has started saying he doesn’t want to go because “ he doesn’t support it” . I sat down and had a chat with him , I explained to him that it isn’t really his place to choose to not agree with it - it’s not a choice , i explained it as he could say he doesn’t agree with people eating meat as that is a choice he would be making , but someone’s sexuality is their feelings and not a choice.

I am sure comments will allow me to explain more how the conversation went from my side so I won’t drag this post on with that but his comments were unnerving :

  • he believes someone chooses to be gay , they can control it but they choose it
  • we can choose who we fall in love with
  • if a friend of his told him he was gay he would still be friends with them but not as good because they chose to be gay and he doesn’t support it.

I know he is very young and he doesn’t understand and has things to learn. He is the sweetest boy and the way he said these things sounded scripted as though he has heard others say this . I know he is a child and it’s my job that guide him and that’s the advice I’m asking for , how do I address this? I’m not saying I need him to go around advocating I just don’t want these views becoming ingrained and he becomes the reason another student who is struggling, struggles more. I know I may be overreacting but this age and as the years go on is a time that he can be heavily influenced . He’s a quiet, sweet boy and I do believe he could be heavily influenced.

Another concerning thing is that when I asked him where he had heard all this and where it comes from he said his Dad .

OP posts:
Thatsrhesummeroverthen · 12/07/2025 23:44

Probably in every school! How else would the various LGBT groups gain access to schools? For example the Stonewall School Champion scheme

Shessweetbutapsycho · 12/07/2025 23:44

Does he have a smart phone or other means of access to online misogynistic sites? That would be a big concern for me (as you’ve already pointed out, it’s a worry where these type of views could lead). I would be very closely monitoring what he has access to online. As the mother of daughters this age I have been witnessing the emergence of the next generation of misogynists in my daughter’s year group for the last few years now sadly.

Emonade · 12/07/2025 23:32

Shedmistress · 12/07/2025 11:04

Being trans is not homophobic. Being accepting of trans people is not homophobic. The LGBT movement was started by a trans woman. The vast majority of LGB people support trans rights.

All of this is patently a lie spread by the likes of the activist teachers that are going to be giving monthly assemblies.

Which 'trans woman' are you talking about? Storme DeLavere was a lesbian. Not a trans woman. This sort of rewriting history is why there shouldn't be assemblies that promote this utter nonsense.

I am a teacher and have been for ten years, where are these activist teachers you speak of?

Slightyamusedandsilly · 12/07/2025 20:11

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 19:54

What are you talking about, not what this thread is about.

Precisely.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 12/07/2025 20:10

Shedmistress · 12/07/2025 19:52

An unhealthy psychological state = thinking giving off label drugs to kids with no evidence is a good thing.

Not wanting teenagers to be mutilated or sterilised = perfectly normal behaviour.

Repeating it, regardless of the actual topic under discussion, to the total lack of interest of everyone you're talking at, and doing it on an endless loop despite others totally ignoring or refusing to engage in debate with you, isn't healthy. It's AI gone mad. And at least AI would vary its vocabulary and syntax.

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 19:54

Shedmistress · 12/07/2025 19:52

An unhealthy psychological state = thinking giving off label drugs to kids with no evidence is a good thing.

Not wanting teenagers to be mutilated or sterilised = perfectly normal behaviour.

What are you talking about, not what this thread is about.

Shedmistress · 12/07/2025 19:52

Slightyamusedandsilly · 12/07/2025 19:29

Obsession isn't good. It's an unhealthy psychological state.

An unhealthy psychological state = thinking giving off label drugs to kids with no evidence is a good thing.

Not wanting teenagers to be mutilated or sterilised = perfectly normal behaviour.

EarthwormJem · 12/07/2025 19:39

ArabellaScott · 12/07/2025 18:20

Good advice.

There was some good advice in there, for sure:

"The ideology around ‘gender’, identity, and sex based stereotypes is a totally different conversation to that around sexual orientation."

Slightyamusedandsilly · 12/07/2025 19:29

Shedmistress · 12/07/2025 17:38

You are saying 'obsession' as if that's an insult.

Obsession isn't good. It's an unhealthy psychological state.

ArabellaScott · 12/07/2025 18:20

BundleBoogie · 08/07/2025 21:30

With respect, there may be some things you need to understand better before you try and guide your son

Nobody is trapped in the wrong body. No one has any concept of what it feels like to be the opposite sex so no one can identify a feeling they have as ‘being a man inside’.

No one can change sex, that is not an opinion, that is a fact. If you are fully informed on this you will find it easier to discuss objectively with your son.

The ideology around ‘gender’, identity, and sex based stereotypes is a totally different conversation to that around sexual orientation.

Good advice.

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 17:41

Shedmistress · 12/07/2025 17:38

You are saying 'obsession' as if that's an insult.

It is when it’s pushed on others over and again, completely takes over a conversation and people have said they’re not interested and asked for it to stop several times .

Shedmistress · 12/07/2025 17:38

You are saying 'obsession' as if that's an insult.

Tandora · 12/07/2025 16:01

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 15:15

This, this, this.

The other posters is just ranting obsessive nonsense. Talk to your son OP, there has been some good advice in amongst the anti trans lecturing and preaching.

❤️

Slightyamusedandsilly · 12/07/2025 15:20

EarthwormJem · 12/07/2025 01:22

Or, rather, "welcome to Mumsnet, where for the last few months every thread to do with L, G or B people has been completely overrun by trans stuff, usually resulting in the thread's deletion".

And for a conversation to evolve, there needs to be a conversation occurring.

BundleBoogie is largely just going on lengthy rants with barely anyone engaging with them. I don't think anyone has posted anything "pro trans" for about 20 pages, so why carry on?

Exactly. Obsession.

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 15:15

Tandora · 12/07/2025 14:37

Being trans is not homophobic.

Accepting trans people is not homophobic.

LGBT assemblies are not homophobic. 😂

This thread is not the place for people to spread this rubbish.

OP, talk to your son

xx

Edited

This, this, this.

The other posters is just ranting obsessive nonsense. Talk to your son OP, there has been some good advice in amongst the anti trans lecturing and preaching.

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 15:12

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 15:09

Is that not allowed?

Did I say that?

You seem to be the one complaining that I’m posting.

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 15:10

Tandora · 12/07/2025 14:54

I am not trans. Nor do I accept your use of the terminology “gender ideology”.

I am not trans.

Thank you. Noted. Again, I apologise for my mixup.

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 15:09

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 14:50

I may have mixed you up with another poster - if so I apologise.

You are very active in posting in favour of gender ideology though.

Is that not allowed?

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 14:58

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 13:21

Op does know and has said- the futures have come from her husband.

So first OP says this:

My youngest is going into high school ( 11 ) . Over the past few months I’ve noticed a few comments such as “ there are 2 genders “ , “ I don’t support LGBTQ “ . I’ve addressed this in the moment . But recently he found out his new school has an LGBTQ assembly on a monthly basis and he has started saying he doesn’t want to go because “ he doesn’t support it”

Then she said:

I had a chat with Dad , he wasn’t aware of these things our son said and he said he had a bit of a similar issue with his own stepchild- which I was unaware of , we don’t communicate the best.
He was actually quite level headed in the conversation , he said he does say some comments about 2 genders etc , but that it’s in “jest” .

I am sure comments will allow me to explain more how the conversation went from my side so I won’t drag this post on with that but his comments were unnerving

  • he believes someone chooses to be gay , they can control it but they choose it*
  • we can choose who we fall in love with*
  • if a friend of his told him he was gay he would still be friends with them but not as good because they chose to be gay and he doesn’t support it.*

So dad didn’t even think he’d mentioned gay people - he just joked about ‘2 genders’. Unless you’re inferring a lot from the ‘etc’?

OP summarises the views of 11 yr old son and he apparently claims to have got them all from his dad but as I’m sure many know 11 yr olds aren’t always reliable in reporting what they did yesterday, let alone the exact source of some complex views above their age development grade.

When you look at OPs posts together it’s very clear that gender ideology is an intrinsic part of sons’s thinking. I’m not sure why you’re so keen to claim otherwise?

Tandora · 12/07/2025 14:54

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 14:50

I may have mixed you up with another poster - if so I apologise.

You are very active in posting in favour of gender ideology though.

I am not trans. Nor do I accept your use of the terminology “gender ideology”.

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 14:50

Tandora · 12/07/2025 14:39

As you have previously told us you are trans, I think maybe you can’t see the wood from the trees on this

I beg your pardon?

I may have mixed you up with another poster - if so I apologise.

You are very active in posting in favour of gender ideology though.

Tandora · 12/07/2025 14:39

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 14:38

The claim that either people can change their sex or that ‘gender identity’ should supersede sex in all situations is not rooted in fact or reality. Therefore it is an ideology.

As you have previously told us you are trans, I think maybe you can’t see the wood from the trees on this.

As you have previously told us you are trans, I think maybe you can’t see the wood from the trees on this

I beg your pardon?

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 14:38

Tandora · 12/07/2025 13:36

There is no such thing as “trans ideology”.

There are people who are trans. And people who believe that it’s ok to be trans and we should accept them. The latter is an ideology. The former is not. Neither of these things have anything to do with homophobia.

This thread is about a mum expressing concerns about her son being homophobic , not because he accepts trans people, because he doesn’t accept gay people.

The claim that either people can change their sex or that ‘gender identity’ should supersede sex in all situations is not rooted in fact or reality. Therefore it is an ideology.

As you have previously told us you are trans, I think maybe you can’t see the wood from the trees on this.

Tandora · 12/07/2025 14:37

Being trans is not homophobic.

Accepting trans people is not homophobic.

LGBT assemblies are not homophobic. 😂

This thread is not the place for people to spread this rubbish.

OP, talk to your son

xx

BundleBoogie · 12/07/2025 14:34

Fk48fj · 12/07/2025 12:55

Having assemblies is not indoctrination. Scaremongering again. This thread is how a mum can support her child. It’s not a trans debate or about assemblies .

Edited

Your accusations of scaremongering cast quite a wide net though.

To the extent where you dismiss actual serious harm that has been experienced by a young gay man as ‘scaremongering’.

This thread is how a mum can support her child. So would it be useful for her to understand where the source of her son’s thinking comes from? She has a theory that it’s the dad but as the school has LGBTQ assemblies which by definition teach homophobic principles and her son has applied some basic logic.

For a child, if you can choose your ‘gender’ (from one of up to 100 according to the BBC), surely the next logical step is that you can choose your sexuality? Especially if someone else has chosen their ‘gender’.

Why are you so determined to harshly punish (your earlier posts) one type of homophobia but defend an almost identical homophobia?

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