Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To feel like I'm not sure where I sit politically anymore, and to worry about it.

292 replies

Lookuptotheskies · 06/07/2025 23:00

I've always been a staunch Labour voter. Always been pro refugees. Always given people the benefit of the doubt. Always felt okay that I've brought innocent kids into the world.

Labour are making cuts to disability benefits (and in turn, carer benefits). They are looking to slash sen support in schools.

My town is being overtaken with overt criminal activity. Illegal cigarettes, money laundering business, violent crime on the increase, known drug dealers, fly tipping, etc. Nothing is done. It's just a never ending thing, they bust one and another pops up.

I've always fought against the tide of racist idiots, using politics as an excuse for violent riots. I live in a multi-cutural town, chose a very multicultural school for my kids. But I can't continue to argue with the people pointing out the rise in crimes, drugs, exploitation etc which is very visibily linked to immigration. I feel so uneasy about acknowledging how I feel about this! Guilty and a bit embarrassed. I've always been live and let live, whereas now I feel more protective, more cynical, less tolerant.

I am also gender critical and very much in favour of single sex spaces, based on biological sex. This has been a slow thing too. I've witnessed the language around women changing (cervix owner, pregnant person, chest feeding etc). I've witnessed our spaces and groups being invaded by biological men (I don't want a man on the other side of the curtain to me in a women's hospital ward, or a bra changing cubicle, or a swimming changing room.

Does anyone else feel like they are completely re-evaluating what they accept/don't accept, and what they stand for politically?

I don't currently feel there is any one political party that aligns with my ideals.

I may or may not get completely flamed, but I'm curious on other's thoughts. I will check back intermittently but I don't live on my phone/mumsnet.

This is not a troll post. I've been a mn user for over 18 years.

OP posts:
TizerorFizz · 06/07/2025 23:27

It’s unfair to say poorer people commit all the crime and make places not pleasant to live in. It’s criminal people who do that. Criminal. The people who do the exploiting are rarely poor. The question is: why don’t we have a police force that will do anything about it? Why have they stood by and let young girls be raped. I think I’m reasonably tolerant but a crime is a crime whoever commits it. Politics doesn’t come into it if the police turn a blind eye. No one meets what I would like to see either. Labour taxes business and expects to see growth! Economical literate. Everyone should be aware you cannot have a vast welfare state without business doing well. Employees and business owners pay for it. No government can expect growth if they keep taxing more and more and disincentivize saving.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/07/2025 23:25

Ethelflaedofmercia · 06/07/2025 23:23

I completely understand what you’re saying. I was 100% a Labourite, but I cannot support them now.

Are you from the midlands? (Because of your username!)

Ethelflaedofmercia · 06/07/2025 23:23

I completely understand what you’re saying. I was 100% a Labourite, but I cannot support them now.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/07/2025 23:23

Bluebellwood129 · 06/07/2025 23:20

How much tax do you currently pay and how much more would you be willing to contribute to address the issues you're concerned about?

For me, I pay just under £1900 a month in tax.
It’s not even that I wouldn’t be willing to contribute more, it’s just that I don’t trust that it would be spent wisely!

Bluebellwood129 · 06/07/2025 23:20

How much tax do you currently pay and how much more would you be willing to contribute to address the issues you're concerned about?

tietheknot · 06/07/2025 23:20

I could have wrote this. What the future holds, god only knows, but I dread to think what the tipping point will be, one way or another.

TheUsualChaos · 06/07/2025 23:20

Feel exactly the same OP. Overall quality of life is going down in this country.

We simply cannot sustain the numbers of migrants coming here. We also would be naive to ignore the issues their cultural differences bring when it comes to attitudes towards women and girls.

I'm also sick of the whole net zero con and similar green washing. More profit driven smoke and mirrors.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/07/2025 23:20

Same here OP. I was swept up in Corbyn fever even! Now, my opinions are changing.

Or, perhaps, the left went so far left that if you stood still, you ended up right of centre.

I have quite a few friends that feel the same way. They’re all intelligent people and definitely not racist… yet they’re all leaning towards Reform UK. I can’t even say that ‘I would never vote Reform’ anymore because I don’t know if I will definitely feel that way when the next GE happens. That’s how bad it has gotten. We can no longer dismiss all Farage voters as being thick and racist.

myplace · 06/07/2025 23:19

wordywitch · 06/07/2025 23:16

I agree with a lot of what you say, except I don’t think all or even most of the crime and anti social behaviour you described can be attributed to immigration. It’s mostly to do with poverty, and the decimation of public services, housing and support for the poor and working class (of which some will be immigrants) that occurred over the 14 years the Tories were in power.

Wouldn’t there be less poverty, fewer housing problems, and thus less crime if there were fewer immigrants? Particularly the ones living in poverty and so contributing as you say to the crime rate.

letsallchant · 06/07/2025 23:19

I've had similar feelings. I feel a mixture of annoyance at the Labour government for not making a better fist of things, then sympathy as they inherited such a poisoned chalice and who actually has the answers? Reform and the Tories I don't trust or like at all. The Greens and Lib Dems are captured by the TWAW rhetoric. Further left Labour is simply not realistic or affordable and has been rejected already too many times by the electorate. So what option is there? I genuinely don't know.

myplace · 06/07/2025 23:17

There is also an issue with the number of people who cannot work and need to be supported by those who do. The numbers are becoming unmanageable.

I want dignity for people with disabilities. I don’t want people who work to be poorer and have fewer choices and opportunities than those who don’t work- and both are represented among my friendship group.

wordywitch · 06/07/2025 23:16

I agree with a lot of what you say, except I don’t think all or even most of the crime and anti social behaviour you described can be attributed to immigration. It’s mostly to do with poverty, and the decimation of public services, housing and support for the poor and working class (of which some will be immigrants) that occurred over the 14 years the Tories were in power.

Limmers14 · 06/07/2025 23:13

I feel the same and you’ve articulated it really well. I’m also an immigrant to the UK so I feel particularly unsettled about my thoughts on how immigration is driving a deterioration in British society. Well, it’s immigration and uncontrolled benefits I think. I’ve also been a Labour or Lib Dem voter in the 12 years I’ve lived here and I’m just not sure how Labour can fix things. I’ve found getting more involved in my local community has helped me make positive changes at a local level.

corlan · 06/07/2025 23:12

I have the same feeling of guilt and embarrassment about my feelings about immigration. Have always considered myself left wing. I am the daughter of immigrants. Yet, I can't help feeling sad about the way my home town has changed for the worse. Ironically, this happened under the Conservative government but I don't trust Labour to do much about it and would never vote Reform!

TheaBrandt1 · 06/07/2025 23:12

I can relate op. I feel the scales have fallen from my eyes. Always been brought up “left good right bad” but it’s just not that simple anymore is it? I want to ensure those in need are helped but it’s got ridiculous and unsustainable now with the number of working age adults on benefits and so many migrants needing support. I think we need to be more protective of our values and way of life. Also gender critical and been appalled at how eager the left were to hang women out to dry on that too.

fridaynightbeers · 06/07/2025 23:07

You’re not being unreasonable to feel politically homeless, and I feel exactly the same for all the same reasons.
However, I’ve realised that in order to maintain my own mental health, I just can’t spend time worrying about politics. I know it sounds lazy to kind of wash your hands of it, but I’d never sleep again if I didn’t.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/07/2025 23:03

Are you in favour of a more left wing government? One that wouldn't slash welfare and would address deprivation.